Islam? Before going into the details of this religion known as Islam,lets have a brief relook at its history. It was an more an ideology to encourage Mohammads men to fight and less a religion. Now in those days Mohammad was up against strong men and needed his men to be utterly violent.And as he was a respected figure in his lot, he began to teach and endorse violence in the name of serving god.Well, whatever his intentions must have been, he suceeded in brainwashing the people around.Since then we all know how much the world has suffered becoz of this religion. Now lets talk about the ideology of this religion.No other religion in the world has its fundamentals based on extreme violence.No other religion teaches a man to beat his wife and treat them like domestic animals. Mohammad said and i quote,"%u201CNow then, O people, you have a right over your wives and they have a right over you. You have [the right] that they should not cause anyone of whom you dislike to tread your beds, and that they should not commit any open indecency (fahishah). If they do, then God permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain from [evil], they have the right to their food and clothing in accordance with custom (bi%u2019l-maruf). Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals (%u2018awan) with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God, and you have made the enjoyment of thei
RE:Islam Needs a Reform!!!
by Shameer on Aug 29, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
Utter crap non-scence.....
You coward...making use of Rediff space for spitting venum.....hiding ur identity....coward..
From where u got the above said lines uuuuuuu lier.....
This is what the prophet said....... O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.
Mr. Motor....u like cowards r no good for nothing....U got all this ill-imformation from ur western counterpart ...who for ages trying the same to tarnish Islam...But in VAIN......
Go get some life....learn Islam from the original sources.....
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by siddharth on Aug 29, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
mr sameer...nott ur brothers as this wh** says its our brothers who need to understand
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by Shameer on Aug 29, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
Mr. Mera.... That concludes ur attitude....who cares u hate Islam or not..... Open ur eyes and see the world....
All know who bombs whom....
and if u have time read this...http://www.usask.ca/relst/jrpc/art10-rootsofterrorism-print.html
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by mpncn mpn on Aug 29, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
Shameer, May be Motor got some misinformation from western sites or something....and wt u said is correct.Ok agreed. But just tell me then y almost all terrorists are from muslim community? Why is it easy for terror mentors get all youths from muslim community?Why does Laden and his guys always give speeches in the name of Allah and Islam? Why is your Imams or Mullahs do not come openly against the terrorists inside your own community and remove them from ur society? why dont they even condemn these kind of activities?why the whole world is forced to believe that Islam is nothing but terrorism? why even a small boy thinks that all terrorist are Muslims? Why cant you people can have little more tolerance when it comes to religion?why u people always want to break teh peace in any area?why do u people support Infiltrators from PAK or Bangla-just b coz they are Muslims? why?why?why?
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by motor mouth on Aug 29, 2007 01:18 PM Permalink
Mr.MPNNCN.... I would advise you to read tabari for yourself and then comment about westerners giving misinformation.Moreover I am not a westerner and not an irrational being to believe any1 blindly.
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by Shameer on Aug 29, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
Mr. mpncn
Who are a terrorist...all those who opposses colonial powers and their ajendas....right na...
Watch some channels other than the shitzz like FOX...CNN...and their partners... U just blindly beleives in their propagandas...then simply passing statements abt a great relegion and a billion people... I dont say everything in West is rotten.....but there r a number of people who still beleiving CRUSADe time lies....pathetic...
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by mpncn mpn on Aug 30, 2007 09:06 AM Permalink
Shameer, To which colonial power r u people fighting against - in India? just answer to me... Is India still a colonial power?
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by ratnajayant gudavally on Sep 15, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
SHAMEER DONT CONFUSE.....TERRORISTS ARE JIHADIS. THEY KILL THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN MUSLIMS AND SAY THAT THEY WANT TO KILL COLONIAL POWERS. wITHOUT THEM THEY WOULD BE IN THE 7TH CENTURY......FILLING THE DESERTS WITH THEIR OWN BLOOD.....dONT INVOLVE REST OF THE WORLD ,SOLVE WITH JUDAISM AND DESCENDENTS OF IBRAHEEM/ ABRAHAM. NOT CRUSADES OR HINDUISM OR BUDHISM.
iT IS THE STORY OF iSLAM FROM THE BEGINNING TILL TODAY OR EVEN TOMORROW....sTOP KILLINGS HUMANS.ok ????????
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by sun bangalore on Aug 30, 2007 12:18 AM Permalink
Sameer, Mr.mpncn has valid points, you are trying to shift the attention to something else by taking unwanted channels. What has your community done to curb activities of osama and team. I know little bit of kuran in which it says even suecide is sin, but what about this suicide bombing which is happening does allah forgive. What was your religious leaders doing when iran and iraq fought for 20 years and more. dont tell me it was again by the west. I too have lot of muslim friends, whenever we discuss the matter they prefer not to speak. I have heard zakir khans speeches, apart from islam he is not willing to talk about anything else. If kuran hates terrorism all the muslim countries should burn the effigues and photos of binladen and team. In mecca masjid bomb blast many muslims were killed. Even after 60 years of independence we are fighting on religion. It really depends on muslim leaders to fight terrorism. Not even a single statement from bhukari on mecca masjid blast. if islam is not clear it leads to more and more agression. I still remember my muslim friend quoting that islam is a good religion managed by bad people. please reply.
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by Shameer on Aug 30, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Hello...Sun Whn u talk abt Osama stuff and all ...there's alot to discuss...no time to write all these. U and mpncn look reasonable guys...
I should first admint a lot should be done within Muslims to clean up alot of mess that created by whole lot of useless Mullas...like Bukharies....
But that goes to all relegions...am against generalising things.... How can u point fingers to Muslims only whn Hindus had hardcore fascist leaders like Advanis...Thakeray(Is he an Indian)..,and Modies.who r the main culprits for wht our country suffering....Just for their vote bank and political ambitions...am sure if no Babri Issue...India would have been much much safer...Now the enemies of India got a chance to infiltrate into India( which was not possible till then) using communal roit victims.. I am of the opinion if it is proven clearly that Babri Masjid built under ruin of RAM temple after destroying it, It should be handed over to respected parties and if possible proper compensation should be paid and Muslims should apologize.....I dont know my community will understand this...if they like their prophet they should.. Am actually from Southern part of India which had better coexistece among all relegions. Mr. mpncn ...yaar no brainwashing...not only Mullas r dirty ...a alot r there in all communities...u fight for ur community blaming others ....so wht difference there between u and them...come on hate fills hate only..we like u man...Our country want u and me...all
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by mpncn on Aug 30, 2007 09:04 AM Permalink
Dear Sun, Shameer will not reply since he also knows in deep heart that what his community men doing are wrong. But poor guy he has to defend for it, coz its taught to them that defend for Islam whate ever it comes to...they are being brain washed in masjid every friday....nothing else will go to their ears or heart or brain(if have)than those bull shit which comes out from the dirty minds of mullahs
RE:Islam Needs a Reform!!!
by motor mouth on Aug 29, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
Hi Mr.Sameer. The excerpts i quoted are from Tabari. I have no intention of spitting venom on any ideology however i have all the right convey my opinion.If you cannot take criticism and debate o nthe basis of rationale will always find it hard to digest. Instead of becoming emotional and losing your sanity in anger why dont you pause and think and introspect for a while. Numbers and history speak more than you and me.
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by Shameer on Aug 29, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
Mr. Motor....Before advicing me of losing sanity and all...I've question to u...Did u check authenticity of the Hadith...
U got a stick from Islam bashers and u try to use it...without cross-checking...
Thatz not free mind...thtz sick mind...
Read ur comment and Conclusion abt a great religion on earth...how dirty ....
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by siddharth on Aug 29, 2007 07:50 PM Permalink
get an understanding of rationale mr motor mouth....rationale comes from wholistic understanding ...uve just been a part of it not the whole....get the whole or u get nothin of "ur rationale"
