Hey all you guys. I have only true word of advice. Put these differences aside. India has a long tradition and history of peaceful coexistence. Here's my challenge to all Hindus.
If you are real inheritors of our ancient and beloved SANATANA DHARMA, then come together and unite under one banner of our age-old religion and motherland. Let us come together not by hating other religions but driven by true love for our own religion and culture. Let us not compromise the ancient religion of our forefathers. Remember, we can be secular, but that doesn't mean we are any less Hindu. DO NOT LOSE YOUR HINDU IDENTITY FOR THE SAKE OF ANYONE. DO NOT PANDER TO WEAKNESS AND NEVER HURT OTHERS RELIGIOUS FAITHS. PROVE TO ME THAT YOU ARE MY REAL HINDU BROTHERS !
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
Do you believe that our muslims brothers need peace. They need peace only if India can be made into an Islamic state through creation of small small Muslim pockets. Unlike in chechnia etc, in India a peaceful way to change Indias polity, demography etc are possible. Offcourse I cant change your secularism. But for sure, time will change it. But once muslims are majority, remember , the way India will be could be easily understood from current muslim pockets in India. Only muslims live there, others desert those lands, even if it is their birth place. My dear, search for peace should never be a weekness. Be strong.. Talk to all your muslim, hindu and christian friends... take courage to speak controversal issues. But people like u will feel, avoid controversial issues. If you wanted to know reality be couragious.. talk to many of them.. Read all forums, national and international. Talk to people who lived in other muslim countries. Study history, corelate it with current generation of muslims what we see, if it matches take it, or else throw it. Relentlessly take courage to find truth. One day you will see the muslims are they are.. Now how will someone find reason to delete this post. I am just saying the way..!!!
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by neha kothari on Aug 26, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
Come on guys dont listen to this type of people.. Really he does not know history. They ruled us for more than 300 years.. If they wanted they could have converted each and every hindu.. But did they? How could hindus be in majority? Dont you know even Tipusultan has a hindu advisor.. Check now the gulf states.. Ask any hindu in dubai, how are muslims.. He will tell you, how peaceful they are.. If someone abuse your identity, someone destroys your homes, childrens, dont you retaliate? Now, each and every action is associated with them.. Why dont you think it may be the act of a political party or a hindu terrorist organization? dont you think they are exists?
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by Sanjai on Aug 26, 2007 02:29 PM Permalink
Neha,
I think you need to spend more time understanding cultures and history. You also need to track happening all around the world and put 2 and 2 together.
BTW they tried to convert every Hindu. You know Afganistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh were basically Hindus. We have probably lost count of how many Hindus died resisting conversion. Hinduism is the only system which has survived Islamic rule for so long in world History. Does that speak about Islam being kind or the basic strength of the Hindu system ?
Of course there good Muslims. But you need to read history in an overall perspective and dont look at isolated examples
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by ashraf thokur on Aug 26, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
NEHA... U R WORDS ARE REALLY TOUCHABLE.. INDIA SHOULD HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIKE U.. BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOT!!
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 02:44 PM Permalink
Nehaji.. I never said any history. Offcourse hsitory is so vast mostly written by the winner. Also one needs too much intelligence to analyse past, present and map the present to past inorder to reach an unbiased conclussion. My google bookmarks are brimming with umpteen proofs including compensation money but not limited to ways muslim countries deal with non-muslims. But I have no interest in preaching someone. Events like this will prompt intelligent people to look in the correct directions. I just need to guide as many people to truth, whatever they find. If the final outcome is muslims are peaceful people, they wish all good to all people irrespective of religion, in countries they rule there is no discrimination between them and other religons between woman and man etc, I have no intenssion to change it.. SO BE IT.. That is that person's truth. Tipu Sultan is an excellent peace for jai-krishnan to start with. First have a priliminary study with available materials, then if you need more materials with logical analysis mail me tachionic(at)gmail.com . Ha ha... Every 3 months average 30 Indians have to die in terrorism.. How many could you route back to your so called hindu extrimist fools. Vist some muslims families... Talk to them freely about your beleifs, everyone celebrating every religion festival etc.. See it first hand.. Try find truth yourself.. It is wide open before you, only unbiased attitude and quest for truth and real peace is required.
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Akashji, It is you who would need their protection. Not them. Perhaps for a day or two they may need. Give them that with your life too. But thats it. It ends their. It should be as akash as a person. But Akash as someone who should find a direction to this, should distance from unreality. He needs to think in rational lines and see what has happened, what is happening and what may happen.. Think a little above than present. In that role you should be ready to lose yourself and everything u posses, or else u cant survive that role. It is such roles that is lacking for mother India.
As I said, our hope is Americans/jews, not that they are good holy beings, but earth needs to survive right. One religion should hold all the world in terror. So my request to have an open mind. No one is good, no one is bad.. then study our own friends, relatives etc. study their ego, insecurity, beliefs, etc... Talk to them openly but remain unattached to the conversation and find the social truth. It is one of the dirtiest truths. Then study hisory offcourse distorted. So map present to past and find the truth. Present is before u to see and analyse. Like physics no instantanious discontinuity is possible between past and present. So to a reasonable level an intelligent unbiased person should be able to map present to past and then use this past-and-future to predict the enevitable future, the sword that hangs around your head..!!! good luck. Dont hate anyone, but act patiently pragmati
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
My best friend is a muslim too. He comes with me to temple too. But he is not couragious enought to speak against his people. Like him most good muslims are in di-lemma. They know their people are not so tollerant, but cant change it. But they are afraid that if anyone listen to hindu woes, it would effect their security. For Islam, if a muslim opposses it, he should be exterminated first... That is the lesson our the wicked ones have given to good muslims throughout history even today in salmanrushdie and Taslima. So they dont want to fight/speak anything about bad of Islam. They keep quiet saying it is sad and all muslims are not bad. They are not couragious enough to save his hindu brother from their wicked barbarians. Now what should one do.. The play ground is not levelone. My understanding and study says nothing can be done. See the problem as a whole, not as part. Individual relations are individual relations. Or else only the harder, uncompramising religon will win, softer one will be crushed out. So though I love my dear muslim friend and his family I just show love to them and similar alone. As someone bigger I need to play another role, in that role my friend is one amoung millions in this world. So as me.. Emotions shouldnt take action when dealing with masses, intelligence and a pragmatic and realistic solution should. As of now India has no choice until it reach a boiling point. After boiling point, India will survive if USA/israel has interest in India.
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by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
Akash, Again 5000years of survival is not an accident. It is through people like you and me India has survived. But land mass of India is a constant. And offcourse each day more muslim pockets are created in every part. I have a situation to give you.
50 years before there lived some many hindus in northern district of kerala called kazargod. My friend (hindu) is a native of there. His sister got a teacher job in govt high-school (run as muslim school, holiday is fri/sun). In first week of class itself she realised the sad truth. 6th std kids shouted at her and threw things at her asking her to remove bindi, put scarf, remove her krishna-locket. She tried for 3 more days, then resigned. It was a govt job that is lost. She did because, on inquiry she realised that is how they make sure that in that district only muslim teachers should be govt teachers. Who is behind 11 year old kids of 6th std? Noone acted, one more family in a process of relocating from kazargod, leaving where their forefathers lived for ages. This is how mini-paks are formed. There are good muslims there too. In district with 80% muslims atleast 50% of your friends will be muslims. But see the situation., if u act on individual bias of goodness, it is foolish. So be good as u are, dont change due to me. Time will do anything if it needs. U can mail me in tachionic(at)gmail.com incase u need more info or proofs for what i said. It was just an example. I too want a vasudaiva-kudumbakam, pragamatic on
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by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
Akash, I dont wish a hindu republic. Love and truth is beyond religion and name. Extrimism is everywhere. In hinduism and christianity too. But they have a balance, their own people makes for a balance. look neo-cons of USA, they are very fundamentalistic in their christian belief that USA is a christian country!! Why again another country with a hindu name.
U know one irony. Peace is only possible through war. The peace world enjoy now is the result of WWII. But as we see, this peace is also short lived. After war, follows peace which inevitably follows war, as long as majority of people are matured and only reasonably greedy.
So it is ok to have an India as India, a simple state. Not secular... That word lost its meaning. Let us not name it . India is an Indian republic of love and freedom and sacrifice. Hmm it is not even a dream, for I am not couragious for that too. As every word in world, we assert the meaning to words. Unfortunately the meaning given by crooked humans to "secularism" is so horrible than prostitution and trechery. So let India be a attribute less republic.
Now about democracy. It is all about demo-graphy. As long as u love your parent more than others in this earth. The problem of demography exist in microscopic level. It has the pottential to grow as a macroscopic beast. For that not to happen, maturity and love to nature and humans is required.
Man should be beyond religion, Religion is for him and not he for religion. truth-unselfishnes
