It is amazing to me that most of the guys commenting here curse our politicians all the time - but whenever a politician says "we will be a super power by 2020" or some such crass BS, these guys are ready to believe them. As long as you guys do not suffer, you are ready for huge highways that split villages; huge dams that violate our own laws. Medha LIVES with the adivasis and common people of the Narmada valley. Our governments can say anything that invokes power and prestige - huge dams that keep getting bigger; or a nuclear deal such as this. Look at the array of "brilliant" arguments here: nuclear energy saves us from global warming (it does not); that we will all have electricity if only this deal goes through (we won't);that we will have economic independence if only we agreed to this deal (we will actually have lesser independence). Going for this deal or going nuclear does not somehow make us a "super power". And it is not important to be a super power. It is the masterful spin of our upper class media that somehow makes this deal as a do-or-die situation for India. All that Medha is asking for is a debate.
RE:Too Much Trust?
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:30 AM Permalink
Only 2 nations in the whole world are opposing this Indo US nuclear deal, China and Pakistan.... China has the Most Favored NAtion status with the US and opposes the same status for India. China has got a similar nuclear deal with the US bt opposes the deal with India... Jyoiti Basu of CPM protested against Indian defence againt chinese invasion of india in 1962 and was jailed by Nehru for anti India activities. Basu went on to become the CM of bengal. Commies never condemn Chinese claim of arunachal Pradesh whn the people themselves want top be part of India.. CPM opposes Indian nuclear progress bt has no problems with Chinas nuclear arming of pakistan whch are targeted towards India and supports iranian nuclear program. The communists oppose ndustrialiazation in India and went on killing 100's of poor farmers in Singur and Nandigram tryin to grab farmers fertile land for setting up industries. Commies are ruling bengal for more than 30 years now and have reduced bengal from being the finest to being the poorest.. Only big industry in commie ruled states bangal and kerala are trade unions and their number one product is strikes and bandh. Commies vociferously opposed introduction of computers by rajiv gandhi, commies cald computers as evil and against national interest. Commies neva condemned chinese invasion of India in 1962. Commies do not recognize aksai chin in kashmir as part of india. And yes the commies got a new name now "Headless Chickens and Spineless Morons".
RE:Too Much Trust?
by Niharika Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 05:54 AM Permalink
you are too good Ariya in putting down your points that rest of the people are not even worth to match your clibre. Most of the pro-capitalist, so called anti-pseudo secularist, saviour of india(India of the rich, affluent, upper middleclass urbanites who only knows to slag the communist as commies) are mostly boring. If they are so correct why do they fear open debate with real facts(not imaginative or purposefully created ones) with anti deal group ? I am nt against the deal but I am ready to hear who speaks logically. If communist become traitor for their so called proximity to China then why nt cong, bjp for their so called proximity to us ? There are good and bad things to learn from each country, be it china or us. Even the pro deal group has some points bt cant they speak w/o targetting groups. They seems to be less bothered abt the main issue that communist have raised i.e the deal and its meaning. They are more bothered abt communist bashing. We lose our temper when we feel we have nothing substansive to talk.
RE:Too Much Trust?
by Vishnu Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 07:23 AM Permalink
Because we need to go with historical facts: Here are a few questions to ask: Q: Has china coveted our territory and invaded us? Ans: yes. 1962. They want all of Arunachal, Bhutan, Nepal and Sikkim.
Q: Does china occupy Indian territory ? Ans: Yes. Aksai Chin.
Q: Does china fear and hate us ? Ans: Yes. They vetoed our seat in the UNSC.
Q: Is china illegally occupying and supressing a whole people who are refugees in our land ? Ans: yes (Tibet)
Q:Has China helped us before ? Ans: Never.
Q:Does china have border disputes with all her neighbors ? Ans: Yes
Q: Is china a democracy where there is an active opposition which questions her destructive policies. Is there any accountability ? Ans: No.
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Q: Has USA coveted our territory and invaded us? Ans: No Never
Q: Does USA occupy Indian territory ? Ans: No
Q: Does USA fear and hate us ? Ans: No they offered us a seat in the UNSC before.
Q: Is USA illegally occupying and supressing a whole people ? Ans: No, Not in this century.
Q:Has USA helped us before ? Ans: Many a time before. 1962, 1977,1981
Q:Does USA have border disputes with all her neighbors ? Ans: No
Q: I USA a democracy where there is an active opposition which questions her destructive policies ? Ans: Yes
