We have seen what 43 years Nehruvian-Indira-Gandhian isolation has done to India. In 1990 we were on the verge of bankruptcy. We need to mesh into the global economy to derive benefits. That is how countries like Japan, Singapore, Thailand, Taiwan, Malaysia and South Korea have prospered. We need to be busy like a bee-hive. But all these leftists want to do is to deprive the common man of both job and bread. They want to reduce the standard of living of the common man with empty slogans and RED paint. The common man in India has seen the difference in the last 10 years compared to 43 years before that and WILL not be fooled. The fate of the left is Sealed forever in India. "No POWER on earth can thwart an IDEA whose time has come."
RE:All leftists are isolationists.
by Ramiah Ariya on Aug 24, 2007 01:36 AM Permalink
You should note that the "common" man's life has actually become much worse in the last 15 years - India has SLIPPED in the Human Development Index (HDI) from 123 to 127. Namibia is ahead of us, by the way. Of course, for most people who comment in rediff, the "common" man is an upper class, upper caste person.
The countries you mention, Japan, Singapore and South Korea all DID NOT globalize - in fact the only countries that followed liberalisation as dictated by the "Washington Consensus" were Argentina, Mexico and other Latin American countries - and these COMPLETELY failed - with hyper inflation. Japan and South Korea, for example followed a policy of HIGH trade tariffs and state directed development (refer "State Directed Development" by Atul Kohli). They had massive PUBLIC investment.That is they had the exact OPPOSITE policies as liberalisation. That is why they succeeded. The standard of living in India, according to the HDI which measures education, Infant mortality and female infanticide is much worse NOW than 15 years back. It helps to know some facts before commenting.
RE:All leftists are isolationists.
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:38 AM Permalink
the only people who have failed is u whoo do not wanna work n alwaze lookout for a free lunch. u lazy morons. u knw hw many houses have come out of financial collapse due to the BPO industry...
RE:All leftists are isolationists.
by Vishnu Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 01:50 AM Permalink
People like you are pessimistic leftist liars. It is a known fact that we have only 30% of population below poverty line as apposed to 60% population below poverty line during the years of Nehruvian-Stalinism. Also people are more brand conscious and have more choice in various matters. Roads are improving, Highways are being built We have money to invest in infrastructure now when previously we did not have any money. Things will be a lot better if Marx and his pernicious minions are kicked out of India.
RE:All leftists are isolationists.
by Ramiah Ariya on Aug 24, 2007 02:01 AM Permalink
Known fact? Known to who? All that you have to do to prove your case is cite me a source that says we went from 60% to 30% BPL. Here is my source on the HDI: http://hdr.undp.org That is the UN human development statistics page. Acknowledging facts seems like pessimism to you? You are not an optimist - by not realizing our problems you and others complicate the lives of the common man. That is not optimism. That is ignorance and negligence. I do not understand what you mean by "Stalinism". When was Stalinism practiced in India? For that matter what is "Nehruvian"? Are you implying Nehru came up with socialism? You do realize socialist policies form the basis of the best livable countries in the world - Canada, Sweden and Norway? Who is brand conscious? How does that translate to choice? What percentage of Indians are you talking about? Things, of course, will be a lot better for the likes of people who caused the Bhopal disaster, if "Marxists are kicked out of India".
RE:All leftists are isolationists.
by Vishnu Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 02:32 AM Permalink
Education, Infant mortality and female infanticide are social issues. You cannot alter the criminality of a rich man who kills a female child. Asking for Dowry is also a social issue. Because rich also indulge in it. You cannot bring social issues here.PLEASE BE SENSIBLE. Stalinism is the personality cult associated with the congress and the left. Everything in India is named after Nehru, Indira or Rajiv and the license Raj firmly restricted growth of Enterpreneurship. Also we continue to adhere to outdated policies like Non-Alignment long after the cold war. People like you are opposed to the common man having cell phones. The Bhopal Gas disaster was an isolated case. You need to and have the authority to lay down the law of the land when foreign companies establish plants in India. Safety measures etc are the job of the government to enforce. The government should also force companies to setup plants away from population centers. Just because an accident happened does not mean foreign companies are not welcome. That would suite you leftists very well. Neither do you want to work nor do you want others to work. Everybody goes and strike and sits down waving the red flag and shouting slogans on an empty stomach. Sorry. I was not raised like that. Work is a source of pride for 90% Indians who do not want to be mislead by 10 % leftists.
RE:All leftists are isolationists.
by Ramiah Ariya on Aug 24, 2007 02:45 AM Permalink
1. Education, Infant mortality ARE some of the indices by which development is determined - not just GDP. By focussing on GDP growth you and others are forgetting that there is a bigger picture. It has nothing to do with social issues or otherwise - your claim that Indian lives are better now is patently based on GDP growth and nothing else. 2. Is the personality cult NOT associated with the right (BJP, Shiv Sena)? In fact the left parties are the few remaining that have great inner party democracy. 3.I keep asking you to define common man - you obviously are thinking about upper class city-bred people (because only their lives have gotten better). 4.Where did this myth that leftists somehow do less work originate? You do realize that the American Democratic party, and the UK Labor Party are leftist? And are you claiming that 50% of Americans who vote for the Democrats do not work? Your comments on leftists have no touch with reality - just in politics, the left parties have a better attendance record (that is work too) in parliament than all the other parties. Volunteer activism is maximal in left parties. Be informed when you do public posting.
RE:All leftists are isolationists.
by Ary Doriz on Aug 24, 2007 01:36 AM Permalink
Let me tell you, there was no Nehruvian isolation. Isolation began only after 1965, after Nehru's death.
Indira Gandhi sought support of US but Nixon supported Pakistan and China so, she had to go to Soviet Union. Had it not been for that, one cannot imagine what would have happened in 1971 war. USS Enterprise sailing close to Indian waters and China opening a war front alongwith Pakistan.
RE:RE:All leftists are isolationists.
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:45 AM Permalink
so u mean to say we shuld always remain like hw we were in 1971. global political dynamics keep on changin. one needs to adapt to gain maximum benefit from those changes. u cannot live in isolation. todays global politics and the kind of hostile environment india is surrounded by demands that india align with the democraic powers like the US. woz wrng wi dat. the US has neva invaded india, the chinese did. The US arms pkistan no doubt bt its nt India specific. Whereas the chinese arm pakistan aiming specifically towards india and that 2 nuclear weapons and missiles. Its the chinese state policy to keep india bogged down in petty fights with pakistan so india has no time to grow. wheres the new US policy is to help india become a superpower. Our policy shuld be to gain maximum mileage from this current changing geopolitical system. Indian interesrs come first.
