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the nuclear deal
by jesus dn on Aug 19, 2007 09:46 PM   Permalink | Hide replies

The question is : what roles are we(Indians) want to play towards Americans ? Do we want to become friends(on equal and respectable terms, not being silent always, but questioning things at times)or we want to be silent followers(like a slave follows its masters)? India for years have the traditions where the young (or mostly females)didnt have the rights(culture) of questioning the elders in the family, followers of Gandhi hardly questioned him(b, blind ring Netaji), blindly following of leaders were the norm.This has been wrongly encouraged and advances for years. British education may have changed that a wee bit in some parts of India but Indians even today dislike making questions or objections to popular beliefs. We think it smart to allay with the flow. Americans on the other hands encourages debates, they questions and try to convince them in and out. So when the left are raising questions on 123, many of us getting furious coz we dont like people question us, in turn make us think more. Why can India have open debates on TV, on university campuses, on senates where Sonia, Karat, Advani, Mayawati, etc come and have healthy debates and put forward their points in support and against this treaty ? Why cant we read the treaty ? Why can the Indian nuclear scientists debate ? Why cant Amrtya Sen on one side and Dr.Bhgwati on another side debate?
Why cant we take snap pools on the treaty alone ? Where is the question of govt falling ? We can oppose issues at times or suppo

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  RE:the nuclear deal
by jesus dn on Aug 19, 2007 09:47 PM   Permalink
We can oppose issues at times or support but why cant it be constructive and healthy manners ? Debating, questioning is healthy sign, it will enrich democracy. All we do is quarrelling mostly.

When we dont have anything constructive to speak we disrupts others. We should appreciate left for raising issues, they may be wrong but they have the right to question. We shouldnt negatively criticise them but listen and the best brain from capitalist world should learn to convince the so called hated commies.

the best brains from capitalist world should convince the so called hated commies.

Now though its a fashion to blame the left, bjp or any for us. We must realise capitalism alone cant solve all problems of society. Socialism alone cant solve all either. Both has some good points, some bad points. 40 years of socialism may nt be bad but it was in the wrong hands. Neheru was a capitalist agent with a socialist mask. Similarly a hardcore capitalist country like USA has far more sensitive attitudes towards the poor and have nts.Their progress is mostly inclusive not exclusive. Warrent Buffet can make huge money with the help of capitalist systems, thats nothing wrong, in fact great but he also can donate a huge chunk for social cause. Having the ability to earn money is one thing and luxury beyond limit is another thing. No matter how much progress we make, Indian bussiness tycoons are far behind to match their us counterparts. Philanthropy is big part of us society. We pi

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  RE:RE:the nuclear deal
by jesus dn on Aug 19, 2007 09:52 PM   Permalink
We pick the wrong stuffs easily but we hardly bother to pick the brighter sides of capitalist systems, we spend our energy in blaming the communists. India needs both capitalist parties like cong,bjp and parties of poor like cpm, cpi etc. It will always keeps things in balance till we evolve into mature and sensitive capitalist society. Tolerance of culture, views and values has been hallmark of Indian civilisation. We must evolve consensus out of diverse views. A very healthy, vibrant democracy in the last 60 years was one of India's biggest achivement and its our strength. Multi-party system will make it richer. USA is a democratic country and it will always value these values. Its our responsibility to understand the inner meaning of the treaty. If we dont be smart USA cant help us. But if we behave in mature manner, they will respect us and we will become friends not a silent follower of US policies.

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