I support neither Cong nor BJP (not to talk of Left)but only my dear country India. V must realise, India cannot remain in isolation in the world if we want to rise. the N Deal does not allow inspections to US but IAEA. This is followed by every country who hs not signed NPT. This is international law & all countries comply these incld. Russia/china.U must realise that the world cannot change laws just to accomodate India. Yet this is precisely what is being done with NDeal.It favors India even when we hv not signed NPT. Remember, every negotiation involves an element of give & take. 2nd we do not need permission from US to conduct tests. BJP after the 1998 N tests committed to unilateral moratorium on N testing. But we reserve right to test if China/Pak do it. So, we can still test N device if Pak/China do it, but US will act as per its laws which is its right. What the N deal says is that US cannot immediately withdraw fuel from us but gives a 1 year period (this is cooling period when things will cool down, a byepass so to say). Also, US must 1st give reason. If reason is due to Pak/China tests then the US must take that into consideration.(If these two test then sanctions will apply on them also).If still US wants to withdraw then it makes alternative arrangements for India & cannot withdraw till other arrangements r made. Under the compulsions this is a good deal.What else do you want in it??? No body from opposition says that but creates national hysteria & confusion.
RE:What does the opposition want???????
by vikas sethi on Aug 14, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
1st China is also dependent on West & Australia for fuel. If it conducts Ntests, sanctions will apply to it. It can bye pass like India did after 1998 tets. (Same pt. valid for India too as world has become interdependent. US is also dependent on India for many things. So costs of imposing sanctions on India will effect US too. It is not a 1 way street anymore). 2nd China is major threat to US interests. For it, India acts as a countervailing force to China. Why then will it upset its applecart??? In fact US is trying to encircle China. 3rd U talk of self reliance. We will be self reliant only once our Thorium reactors come in force which is some yrs away.But even this technology would require some (nominal) use of Uranium for the initial cycle.The idea is to generate this from reproceesed fuel & use it in Thorium reactors. Hence, in Ndeal we insisted on reprocessing rights over the spent nuclear fuel so that we have enough Uranium to run our Thorium reactors. Our own meager Uranium reserves will then be purely for military use.4th. If US stops fuel supply, France & Russia will step in. But without the deal they 2cannot supply fuel to us, as is the case 2day.5th. Even 2day, we r a energy deficient country & industry runs at 50% optimum capacity. Our needs 15-20-30 yrs hence would be mindboggling. If we do not hv Nfuel, we collapse under our own wt. Besides, we depend on OPEC (read muslim)countries for fuel & its negative environmental effects.Why put all eggs in 1 basket?
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by vikas sethi on Aug 14, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
Now consider if we do not get N fuel. Our industry suffers or moves out of India. Our economic rise is stymied. China continues to rise bcoz it intelligently uses N fuel & other sources as well. There will be huge disparity between India & China much like IndoPak disparity at present. China will then outspend India in defence sector (also like US did to Russia) & will also prop up Pak. Is this not a security concern/threat for India??? Who do we fall back on? BJP does not tell these points in public. It is aware hence it actually initiated the whole deal in its era. but 2day its opposition is a case of sour grapes. There is another perspective. US is tied down in War on Terror which will continue for another 10-15 yrs & ruin or harm its economic superiority. It will be so much dependent on India then, that actually India can dictate to them.They will need India more than we needing them. But 2day, we need the tech to grow.My contention to all those who oppose the deal is very simple and plain. If someone has already invented a circle, why should we waste time, money and effort to reinvent the same. Buy off the technology and then use our brains and money to move forward from there. We will reach up higher,faster and surer. We need to think of our growth and of our self interest.A ship is always safe at the shores or in the dockyard but that is not what it is built for. Let us show more confidence and belief in our own country and in its abilities.
RE:What does the opposition want???????
by Rakesh Saigal on Aug 14, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Thanks Vikas and Vimal. Yeah, as already stated, after a long time, there was an absence of venom and some plain speaking. I haven't enjoyed reading others opinions as this time. Usually we have repressed people spewing venom on each other and political personalities like Sonia. Let us eschew this type of diatribe and concentrate on exchange of views. Today I learnt a lot from these two gentlemen. May your tribe increase and make planet Earth a more satisftying place to live. I may add that the present model of economic growth is centred on energy content. Take out the energy and the entire superstructure built on GDP concepts will collapse. So energy is the dominant theme of the model of progress that we mankind have undertaken to go ahead with. The R&D in the energy is going to determine who is poised to dominate the end of the 21st and beginning of the 22nd - yes the 22nd - century.
RE:What does the opposition want???????
by Mohan Kumar on Aug 14, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
Opposition by virtue of its name thinks it needs to oppose anything and everthing. Instead of coming out with facts that could harm our interests...they just come out rhetorics...'bunch of lies, half truths, anti this, anti that'. In absense of any hard fact against the agreement, it only seems mere posturing and the deal is good for the nation. Left behave more like chinese agents rather than Indian political leaders. Who else will be happy about the scrapping of the deal??
RE:What does the opposition want???????
by vimal bhasin on Aug 14, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
Well said both Vikas and Mohan Kumar. These r the best discussions we have had in a long time. Else people just kepp talking what BJP, Cong or Left say without understanding anything. They do not debate but try to shout and abuse people. Wish they read & understand what is written above.
