This fellow blamed the incident and told if this continues "WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BAJRANG DAL/BJP and MUSLIMS"......... Guys, i laughed my heart out....wht a funny guy....how can he compare this incident with doings of a party? BJP, BAJRANG Never killed or thrashed anyone for painintg nude pics of HINDU Godn n godesses. Everytime this community does anything wrong, guys like Javed, Shabna start blaming BJP/BAJRANG and divert the attention. ENGLISH SECULAR MEDIA (MY FOOT) ALSO JOINS THEM in blaming the BJP in name of communalism? Our PM(sure he is not a SURD) will start shedding tears if a singly muslim is targeted anywhere in INDIA....but goes to SLEEP whenever innocent biharis masaccred in assam(his own constituency), no time for martyrs .... I HATE THESE BLOODY POLITICIANS n THESE CO CALLED STUPID SECULARIST...
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by SRINIVASAN N on Aug 11, 2007 06:07 AM Permalink
If u think u r a good muslim, please issue fatwa against this violence condemning it.
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by Akram on Aug 10, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
i dont deny it was shameful act by elected repersentatives and particulary the words of Owaisi is really making me to be ashamed of being his fellow muslim.
i was just responding to Mr.Milan insane thinking.
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by james on Aug 10, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
i respect ur religion.But still we things like this happens again and again and again.No one in this world will tolerate.May be ur religion is good and best.
But by shear frustration of all these things happening world wide,i think no body will trust u guys.
Even after the incident those culprits feel proud for their act.
As a good muslim Akbar what u guys are going to do.U guys will protest for this and issue fatwa for these guys for their act or just forget it.
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by Akram on Aug 10, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
Milan why should i lead the initiative, when you people claim to be very cultured and tolerant didnt do to nip it at the bud of BJP&CO.
Please also tell well done Dinakaran when he converts thousands to christianity. At that time dont cry at them
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by Paritosh Sinha on Aug 17, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
Why don't you criticise Godhra riot and Bombay riot? why do you not accept Srikrisna commission report and take action against the culprits?Why have you been killing muslims in India since partition? As per Home ministry report about 33000 muslims have been killed in India by communal riot alone? what have you got to say? why do you chase christian ,rape nuns and beat them openly? I don't think Hinduism teaches these things.
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by Akram on Aug 10, 2007 03:07 PM Permalink
dear JGN could you please list that 12 caste and tell which is BC/SC/ST then i will tell you what i am. To my knowledge even the caste exits there is no denial for any of them to enter and pray in mask.
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by JGN on Aug 10, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
Dear Akram, are you aware that Ahmediyas are not even allowed to give call for prayer (Azan) like other Muslims and it is punishable offence in Pakistan? They are not allowed into the mosques of other sects of Islam!
Yesterday's TOI has reported about the tussle between two sects of Muslims in Gujarat about entry into the Mosque.
I have not talked about SC/ST/OBC muslims but about two braod categories viz. Ashraf and Ajlaf.
There are caste differences in all religions, including Hindusim, Islam and Christianity. So rediculing only one of them is meaningless.
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by james on Aug 10, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
Akbar,
Little doubt for me.who is this dinakaran.u r spelling out everywhere.Is there any relation of him to this incident in any way.
Or u have any personal problem with him that he makes lot of money.
When we ask abt bomb blast in mumbai,u guys will say muslims are killed in iraq and afghnaisthan.When we ask abt anything why u guys just comemnt some rubbish things.Dont know really what u guys are doing
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by james on Aug 10, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
All religion have good and bad..
We dont want to care abt it.Becoz i am not going to come to ur religion or i am asking u tocome to my religion.Itsmy personal feeling.So i respect ur religion although it has lot of backwardsness in it.
We dont want to care them all...
What r u u guys going to do for this incident.
issue fatwa against those culprits or jihadi against them.
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by Akram on Aug 10, 2007 02:45 PM Permalink
i dont certificate from an unseen person for my gentleness. As an individual i condem the attitute of them and be punished for their misbehaviour.
i have no time to think more than that, as mentioned i need to carry forward my career and settle in life. I am not funded like dinakaran to spread the religion or mullah's to issue fatwa or RSS/BJP to riot
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by JGN on Aug 10, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
Dear Akram, caste system exists in all religions in India and Pakistan and also in many other countries. You can get details from Wiki. So don't try to denegrate one religion for the same.
Anyway, I am an atheist and do not believe in the dogmas of any religion. The so-called holy books (of all donominations) are creations of surrealistic visionaries and have outlived their utility. So let us stop fighting in the name of non-existent gods!!!! What we all know of is the life on earth; so let us enjoy the same to the fullest.
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by Akram on Aug 10, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
Dear james,
condeming the act for namesake by muslim institutions and individuals cannot be a solutions for ending this act of barbarism.
Educational backwardness in muslims is utilized prudently by politicians(Cong,CPI,MIM,DMK etc) to use them as a vote bank by simple appeasing rather than taking any fruitful steps for their development.
Also the community is ever benefited by this appeasing is again a question. but it has adversly affected always by the acts of appeasement ( Shah Bano, URDU News riots (Urdu news was inducted in time slot of a popular Kannada program), Coimbatore riots( where two alumma activist were released by the CM), Job to haneef etc.
Protestation against Danish cartoon or saddam execution is organized by political parties not by individuals. there should be a protest against this but who will do it, when the protesters of danish cartoon,saddam execution it self carried out the act.
the problems faced by muslims are mostly by the misguidnace of the leaders of the community.
Atleast you should understand as a muslim i am ashamed of the behaviour eventhough my single voice cannot be the voice of entire community
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by JGN on Aug 10, 2007 02:45 PM Permalink
Mr. Akram, are you an Ashraf or an Ajlaf? Apart from these two, I have read in the TOI about a month back that there are more than 12 castes in Islam in Andhra Pradesh itself. Which caste do you belong now?
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by Akram on Aug 10, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
i am just thinking of reverting to hinduism, but the problem is if i revert which caste i will be belonging to. To the noble brahmin or shrewd marwari or skillful pandit.
Also i thought of embracing christianity to catch good money as made by dinakaran business clan, but i dont cant learn tricks and magic of him so left that idea.
As of now i am busy with my work schedlue and try to settle in my life.
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by maibap on Aug 10, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
Some South Asian Muslims have been known to stratify their society according to Quoms.[14] These Muslims practise a ritual-based system of social stratification. The Quoms who deal with human emissions are ranked the lowest. Studies of Bengali Muslims in India indicate that the concepts of purity and impurity exist among them and are applicable in inter-group relationships, as the notions of hygiene and cleanliness in a person are related to the person's social position and not to his/her economic status.[8] Muslim Rajput is another caste distinction among Indian Muslims.
Some of the backward or lower-caste Muslim communities include Ansari, Kunjra, Churihara, Dhobi and Halalkhor. The upper caste Muslim communities include Syed, Sheikh, Pathan, Khan and Mallik.[15] Genetic data has also supported this stratification.[16]
In addition to the Ashraf/Ajlaf divide, there is also the Arzal caste among Muslims, who were regarded by anti-Caste activists like Babasaheb Ambedkar as the equivalent of untouchables.[10][11] The term "Arzal" stands for "degraded" and the Arzal castes are further subdivided into Bhanar, Halalkhor, Hijra, Kasbi, Lalbegi, Maugta, Mehtar etc
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by Akram on Aug 10, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
Dear JGN,
Casteism is indian and all the religions in india is having casteism. But casteism among muslims in india is different the lebbai and urdu speaking community in Tamilnadu were distinguished by their linguistic not by caste.
Ansari,Memon,Moplah,Beary are the sect of muslims and all are equal. no one among them is FC,SC all are equal. And can visit any mosques for prayer.
Ahamediyas were aliniated from islam as they dont consider muhammed as their prophet.
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by james on Aug 10, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
I am not christian first.I am hindu and more over a really and true Indian.So religion is nothing for me.
I use name james to give an identity for me and not for anything more.Becoz i least bothered abt that religion.
if i think others are doing bad,first i have to look after me whether i am good or not and then to point out others.The issue of dinakaran or others in secondary here.
The only issue is how u islam guys will protest for this act.I want something like u did for danish cartoon .Some big protest before the party headquaters and prove that ur religion is against these culprits...
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by Akram on Aug 10, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
dear james,
Dinakaran & his family is running the business entity names " Jesus calls" with its head quarters in chennai. He do wonders by giving vision to visionless and cure all kind of diseases in people, so many in chennai thinking of closing PHC and hand over the State health ministry to him. His thinking is only religion and make his life out of it, but i cannot afford like that i have to work to feed myself and my family. i have no personal problem with anyone or hope fully in near future also. As my religion preaches " Ilakkum deenukkuma valiyathin" means you follow your way and i follow my way in Sura ekhlas. but stupid people read some adultrated wordings and start bashing islam.
regarding the people killed in Iraq and afghanistan we worry for them as being brothers following islam. since you ask me to condem the criminal act of MP,MLA. I have the legitimate right to ask as a christian to condem the act of Serbs who killed 10000 people
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by james on Aug 10, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
I am against any violence by any religion.It can be from BJP,RSS or christian or islam..
But no other religion is over active in protest as like islam relgion.So when u peoples u mistakes also u should come down and show to the world that we are against them.This is not applicable for hindu or christian as we just say fine what they do is wrong and least bothered to care abt it more..
