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Mere hogwash!
by Deepak Mohanty on Apr 27, 2007 04:42 PM   Permalink | Hide replies

Around 1985 DAE had a plan of generating 10,000 MW of nuclear power by 2000. But in the year 2000, the installed capacity was closer to 2000 MW. Around the year 2000, the targets were altered a bit. The revised target was to produce 10, 000 MW by 2010 and 20, 000 MW by 2020. I hope you can fathom the efficiency of our nuclear scientists and the alacrity with which the Government facilitates nuclear research here.

Coming to FBR technology, our scientists have been threatening to commission a 500 MW FBR reactor for so many years. I guess the first time I read about that was in the mid 90s. And now they claim that it will be ready by 2010. Judging by their past record, this seems like mere hogwash to me.

Thorium based FBRs make a lot of sense in the Indian context as we have the largest known reserves of Thorium. We have had a prototype reactor (FBTR) since 1985, but like the rest of our nuclear program, this too seems to be suffering from extreme lethargy.

The situation can definitely be salvaged. But, the initiative must come from the Government. With ever increasing fossil fuel prices, nuclear energy is one of mankind's big hopes. And, nuclear power also translates into weapons grade fissile material. Future generation of rockets will in all probability by powered by nuclear power and so on. Clearly, the advantage is multi-pronged. This is one area the country must invest heavily.

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  RE:Mere hogwash!
by Ilango on Apr 27, 2007 05:22 PM   Permalink
what you are stating may be true but I feel if there is nothing in it then I feel the developed nations whould not have raised their concerns on this. The US wants us to allow them into the research area for inspection which the indian govt. is rejecting.

May be our scientists have taken too many years in research. (dont under estimate them) But I strongly feel that they have neared to the final stage. Lets hope So !!

Nevertheless we have no other option than to belive them and hope for the best.

Best of luck to you all scientist who are involved in this.

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  RE:Mere hogwash!
by Sreekanth Nemani on Apr 27, 2007 09:30 PM   Permalink
Hi Deepak,

You are mistaken. Back in 1985 when they had a target of 10000mw by 2000, they did not know about the nuclear tests.

The fact is we donot have enough uranium to generate 10000mw of power, unless we import uranium. The imports were blocked following nuclear tests. Our existing plants are not running at 100% so why do we want to build more?

The FBR technology from my information is on track, what threating are you talking about? It is a very delicate technology and even many nuclear countries have not totally mastered it. I do think they are very much on track.

And regarding the Thorium reactors, most other countries are in the research phase too regarding that. There are no thorium reactors out there, and india might be the first to actually do it. So stop cribbing anf start appreciating some things after learning the facts.

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  RE:Mere hogwash!
by Deepak Mohanty on Apr 28, 2007 05:51 AM   Permalink
Get your facts right. The nuclear tests and the subsequent tests happened around mid 1998. The nuclear establishment had enough time to get close to their target of 10000 MW.

And before making anybody "learn the facts", read up some basic physics. What do you think mw is? Try to find out why mw is not the same as MW/MWe before you post again.

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by Deepak Mohanty on Apr 28, 2007 05:54 AM   Permalink
subsequent tests -> subsequent sanctions.

My post was in response to Mr. Nemani's post, which Rediff won't display in a properly threaded fashion.

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  RE:Mere hogwash!
by Murthy on Apr 27, 2007 10:51 PM   Permalink

India is not the first to do it.

1. USA operated a thorium operated reactor beginning 1976.

The Fort St Vrain reactor was the only commercial thorium-fuelled nuclear plant in the USA and operated 1976 - 1989.

There is a US company specializing in Thorium Fuel called Thorium Power Inc.



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  RE:Mere hogwash!
by Satish G on Apr 28, 2007 02:12 AM   Permalink
No body ever built a comercial reactor period. I'm pretty sure you know noyhing about nuclear physics/nuclear power.

Thoruim power does not have technology to use metalic fuels efficently.

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by Satish G on Apr 28, 2007 02:12 AM   Permalink
I mean to say no body built commercial Thorium reactor till date.

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by Murthy on Apr 28, 2007 06:28 AM   Permalink
Don't be a fool and assume everything.

Built in the shadow of the majestic Rocky Mountains, Fort St. Vrain (FSV) was Colorado's only Nuclear Power Plant and America's only commercial High Temperature Gas Cooled reactor design. Plans to construct FSV were announced in 1965. Work began at the site in 1968. Initial hot flow testing of the reactor began in 1972, and several years of design problem work followed. The first commercial electric power using the reactor was generated from the plant in December 1976.

And yes it used THORIUM.

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by Satish G on Apr 29, 2007 08:26 AM   Permalink
INDIA's thorium work is accepted by IAEA as the latest benchmark on thorium research by any country. Go figure out.

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  RE:Mere hogwash!
by Satish G on Apr 29, 2007 08:24 AM   Permalink
It was only a small expermintal reactor. If you count it thene there were pleanty of thorium reactors out there. We have one in in INDIA also which uses U233 irridiated from thorium (Only reactor in the world that runs on U233).

Just for your information. INDIA's thorium research work is the latest and most upto date bench mark by IAEA.

Your are not upto date on technology especially with respect to the progress INDIA has made in last 30 years.

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by Deepak Mohanty on Apr 28, 2007 06:43 AM   Permalink
Article that chronicles Indian FBR endeavour
http://www.igcar.ernet.in/lis/nl69/igc69.pdf

Design details of PFBR
http://www.igcar.ernet.in/igc2004/reg/homepage/PFBR_paper.pdf

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  RE:Mere hogwash!
by amit parekh on Apr 27, 2007 06:13 PM   Permalink
It is quite obvious to doubt the credibility of deadline given by chairman of AEC. I am also agree with deepak about the targets projected by DAE and lack of fulfillment of that targets. But I think following are the reasons for not achieving these targets.
1. Lack of natural uranium is the biggest problem for india. Though we are having indegeneous technology to built and run nuclear power plants, but because of having unsufficient fuel it is not becoming possible. Even our existing PHWRs are not working on its 100% capacity because of this problem then it is very dificult to expand the nuclear power generation cpacity.

2. The peer pressure developed by the international community to slowdown the pace of our nuclear programme is also a substancial reason.

Then too, I think if the problem of fuel shortage is solved, India has capability to achieve the targets on its own by indigeneous means.

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