You wont see any Muslims in such discussions, they only come when we talk about terroism,then they know we will be talking about Islam.. but what Islam has destroyed in India they will completely avoid looking at those.. becoz in their subconscious they know they will get cought if they talk great about Islam here..
In 1193, the Nalanda University complex was sacked by Turkic Muslim invaders under Bakhtiyar Khilji; this event is seen as a milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India. It is said that Khilji asked if there was a copy of the Koran at Nalanda before he sacked it[citation needed]. When the Tibetan translator Chag Lotsawa visited them in 1235, he found them damaged and looted, but still functioning with a small number of monks. The destruction of the universities at Nalanda, as well as the destruction of many temples and monasteries throughout northern India which housed centers of learning, is considered by many historians to be responsible for the sudden demise of ancient Indian scientific thought in mathematics, astronomy, alchemy, and anatomy.[17] Fortified Sena monasteries along the main route of the invasion were destroyed, and being off the main route both Nalanda and Bodh Gaya survived. Many institutions off the main route such as the Jagaddala Monastery in northern Bengal were untouched and flourishing.
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by Samir Ankalikar on Apr 24, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
some people ( historians) call khilji to be an art lover and the only one of his time to be secular and promoter of peace. his barbarism mentioned above clearly mentions that these historians were terribly wrong.
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by Venkat Krishnan on Apr 24, 2007 08:55 PM Permalink
Samir: Yes, those historians are precisely the left wing communist historians who have tried to hide the atrocitiy facts of Khilji, Bhamini Sultans etc. The atrocities of Aurangazeb are not told in history text books. But its there in the collective memory of the people.
Actually, who are Indian muslims? They are originally Hindus or Buddhists and were forced to convert to Moslem at the edge of the sword. If you ask who is your great great great grand father is.. 95% of the time he would have been a Hindu or Buddhist.
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by Ahmad Rais Siddiqi on Apr 25, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
My dear Mr.Venkat Krishnan, Namaskaar/aadaabarz, I read yr comments about the Muslims ruler of India like Allaudin Khilji,Bhamini Sultans and Aurangzeb who in yr opinion were responsible for cheap atrocities in India. No doubts,they had been doing so which I believe was not good but it is also prohibitted to distroy any place of worship. Distoying of Buddha's statue in Afghanistan was also very sad. Distrpying of any temples by Aurangzeb in India was also very bad. Distroying of Babri Masjid also gave a bad impression.9/11 was the cheapest.Attack on Parliament was worst. Any such cheap and mean acts were all bad I and I condemn all these by heart. I am Indian Muslim and alwys write against these cheap and mean acts of these terrorists or anybody. For yr knowledge,I want to share with you that not all Indian Muslims are converted but of course a very large numbers had convertd to Islam not because of any force or fear but they were also discarded in thier on caste system as SC/STs are now facing these problems.Whereas,in Islam are all equal and they eat,sleep and dream togather without any fear. I am one of those Indian Muslims whose forefathers had come from Saudi Arabia some one thousand years back. But,in Islam all r equal so it makes no difference if u r an Indian or Irani. But,distroying of Nalanda University by any Muslim ruler was not good if it is fact which I heard from u people only here now. But to my own belief,I think that the very first father and the very first mother were the same for you and me.So you are my cousin now so I love each man just like my real brother and each woman just like my own sister except therelashinship they maintain with me. Ok Did you understand what I mean here. Do not hate anybody by caste,creede or colours but actions only. I love you all my dear amen and women of this lovely planet Earth. Anyway thanks for yr comments and feel free to contact me. Khudahafiz and F.A.Allah. Yr's Sincerely and Duago, Engineer Ahmad Rais Siddiqi(Alig) International radio/tv commentator & Quiz Master, Science,sports and features writer. E mail;araissiddiqi@rediffmail.vom
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by Venkata Vittala on Apr 26, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
Dear Mr. Ahmad Rais siddiqi. Your statement about in ISLAM all equal is not true. I am giving you few lines from wikipedia site:
Historians such as Will Durant contend that Islam spread through violence. Sir Jadunath Sarkar contends that that several Muslim invaders were waging a systematic jihad against Hindus in India to the effect that "Every device short of massacre in cold blood was resorted to in order to convert heathen subjects. "In particular the records kept by al-Utbi, Mahmud al-Ghazni's secretary, in the Tarikh-i-Yamini document several episodes of bloody military campaigns. Hindus who converted to Islam however were not completely immune to persecution due to the Caste system among South Asian Muslims in India established by Ziauddin al-Barani in the Fatawa-i Jahandari., where they were regarded as an "Ajlaf" caste and subjected to discrimination by the "Ashraf" castes.
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by Ahmad Siddiqi on Apr 26, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
Respected Mr.Venkat Vittal Saheb, Namaskar/aadaabarz huzure wals. Thanks for yr response. Historians like Will Durant and Sir Jadunath Sarkar had wrtten something which was true that several Muslim invaders waged jihad against not only Hindus but others too in India and other places. Jihad did not mean fighting against any religion but who does not believe in God only. Those killed during the Jihad were declared Jihadi and were supposed to go to Jannat(Paradise) directly as it is the biggest honour for any muslim. But in many cases invaders,wrongly,called their personnal fights as a Jihad also which were wrong and so the historians have mentioned that several muslim invaders did so. But,I think such Jihad is not correct and so every body hates such things. I believe one should have the knowledge,courage,confidance and true soirit to convince u so that u understand what he means and then if u r convinced and accept his faith,whether,Islam,Hinduism,Sikhism,Budhism or even Christianity or any faith then it it would be real a faith.But,so many faiths are just confusing us. Why not all Maulwies,Pandits and heads of all faiths sit togather and make one and only one faith and that will be the best faith. In my own faith,love,help,sacrifice and satisfaction are the main points and so I am a very very happy and satisfied person.whatever Nature(God,Bhagwaan,Allah)had given me is best for me and I am satisfied with it. So I love you all just like my real brother and sister except the relashionship you maintain with me. I thank u once again for yr feed back. Pl feel free to contact me.I shall be grateful to u Sir. Regards. Ur's Sincerely, Er.Ahmad Rais Siddiqi(Alig) E mail;araissiddiqi@rediffmail.com (M)09868390783 Ph;011 26941345(R).New Delhi,INDIA.
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by r patil on Apr 26, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
Dear Ahmad Rais Siddiqi you are being totally brainwashed by Maxsist and muslim historians.Caste was not the reason for conversion how can you explain kashmiri pandits becoming muslims why do they have surnames like Guru,gyani,bhat,kashap and many similar hindu brahmin surnames?Did your ancestors read the whole of koran and hadiths (which is in arabic) and then converted ? If so how did they convince their soul about slavery,about right hand possesses,mal-e-milkat,about treament given to kafirs and women? Where they so brain dead they did not find anything wrong in it.At any rate that does not explain why they left their own Gods for fault of their fellow beings. Please dont club St with Sc they have not faced untoushbility and their females enjoy more right then any other religion group fmales. Why where hindu Sc always more then muslims why all of them did not convert en mass .(they might be angry with other hindu for the practise of untouchbility but they are not against their god )Can you explain how come their are few hindu sc caste left in pakistan why have them not become muslims long back and how are they treated in pakistan ?
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by Ahmad Siddiqi on Apr 26, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
Respected Mr.R Patil, Namaskaar/aadaabarz huzur e wala; Thanks for yr reaction on my opinion. Pl read my comments completely and than u would be able to understand my belief? Anybody who had fought wars for converting the people from one faith to another was not good in my opinion. I once again, tell u that the "Holy Quran" does not allow such things but even then some people had been doing such things in the past and some r still doing the same which is not good. what,I read in the history books,I shared with u but eventhen if such things happen again and again than what can I do expcet expressing my personnal views on various forums like rediffmail.com. Still many Muslims do not like my writings when I condemn them like attack on Parliament,9/11 and others. I told earlier that I believ that u and me and all human biengs are from one male and one female(what we believe were "Adam and Eve"). So u r my cousin and I love u just like my real brother. Take it easy and be in touch with me. Reagrds. Er.Ahmad Rais Siddiqi(Alig) E mail araissiddiqi@rediffmail.com dt;26/04.07 (M)09868390783(NEW DELHI),INDIA.
