Yeah I really do not know what to say about it as I really do not trust such persons who say one thing and do just the opposite;as today Geelani's gathering shouted Anti India and Pro Pakistani Slogans. Why not these people just driven out of J&K as the Israelis have done in Palestine? This would have made sense as then in the vacant places those muslims who think that Kashmir is an integral part of India could be housed including the displaced Kashmiri Pundits!
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by Shahryar Pax on Apr 23, 2007 05:01 PM Permalink
I agree - exile them to Pakistan. Also all those Muslim idiots who display Pakistan flag on Indian soil!
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
My Indian friends, may Allah bless you all with good health and prosperity.First of all, please dont speak with hatred here. if you guys did not know, Kashmir was always an integral part of pakistan right since ages(partition) and right from times immeoriable, the customs, culture and inclination of kashmiris is more pakistani than Indian.If you ask a normal kashmiri person, he would pledge his allegiance to Pakistan. As we all know, the Simla pact was brokered and imposed upon us by the dividing British acting as mediators.After all we are neighbours and we should live in peace and harmony instead of fighting and squabbling. India has denied each and every thing which was supposed to be ours. You even took away bangladesh from us and now you are trying to project Paskistan as the scourge of south east asia. First of all, the intelligent Indian public must have a look at their own infastructure and the corruption and the religious chasm/divide) that is existing . I hail from Peshwar and Iam a Pathan and i can assure you that almost 70 %of Pakistan is all about love, affection and harmony unlike your country which has been divided by hate, religion, internal stifles and corruption. I do pray to Allah that He may give you our brothers wisdom and courage to extend a path of harmony and peace and joy.. Regards, Zakir
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by suman kumar on Apr 23, 2007 06:03 PM Permalink
dear zakir, thanks for a very "objective" analysis!
May allah give Pakistanis some wisdom not to lick the ass of Americans... May allah give Pakistanis something else to do other than terrorism... May allah give Pakistanis some wisdom to differentiate terrorism from jihad.. May allah give Pakistanis some sectarian tolerance (leave about religious tolerance).. May allah give Pakistanis the wisdom to learn the meaning of democracy from their neighbours... Finally, may allah give Pakistanis some websites of their own where they can open their holes and comment..
zakir peshawari, now please don't start jihad against me!
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 06:11 PM Permalink
Mr Suman Kumar, i pray to Allah that he gives you wisdom not to speak such a vile language in the board.We are all educated here and we should set a good example to the kids who might be reading all this. Please dont spoil the decency and decorum of the board. i request you not to get blind in your hatred. I can also say many words about all the assasinations and the inetrnal strifes( LTTE, Assam, nagaland,Hindoo RSS, BJP terrorism, Naxals....)iam also educated you see, i keep my self in touch of all the news but i dont want to accuse or abuse anyone, i was taught by my parents and elders to be nice always even in adversity.Please mr Suman kamar, dont use bad language.. regards Zakir
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by Truth Seeker on Apr 23, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
Zakir, take away rest of the north India too, and then Afghanistan. Their culture is also more closer to your than to south India. Then rest of India can live happily, and also don't mind living peacefully with Pakistan North India Afghanistan. And you don't have to fund any bad people anywhere.
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
My friend Truth seeker, you seem to be very bitter towards your fellow Indians. I am not a hypocrite, i have just asked for the land of Kashmir which rightfully belongs to us. Allah bless you and your country.We are not enemies, we are neighbours. What i wanted to say was that Kashmir is legally ours in all aspects.
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by bhaskar narayan on Apr 23, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
zakir bhai, it seems that the ideas u have gathered of our country is through reading a bunch of fundamentalist and anti india press prints.while it is true, that being such a huge country with so many religions, cultures and it's share of corrupt politicians, we do have our share of problems.but i come from the city of kolkata which is known for it's tolerance and openmindedness. come to kolkata and spend some time with us. come to our businesses and see how the average young indian reacts to these obsolete logics. come tokolkata and try preach yourlogic to any kolkata young muslim.u will get the thrashing of your life. will that make them infidels in your eyes? if yes, u can explain that to my dear friend SYED ZAHEER ABBAS. are u surprised that a syed is aliberal? yes that is what india is. it makes everybody equal in the eyes of the almighty.
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
Bhaskar Allah bless you, you are but talking ridiculously like moslims from your place will thrash me and so on..that very much portrays the hatred and strife you have inside your hearts, but i can assure you in certain terms that if you come to Peshwar, my fellow Pathans or other muslims or even your own sindhi community( they call themselves as proud pakistanis) will extend you a cordial welcome and will not abuse you or hit you or thrash you as the people from your cirty would do to me.. thanks for enlightening me on your people´s behaviour. The violence is inbred in you, i will pray to Allah to give you a peaceful mind Regards, Zakir
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by Sam on Apr 23, 2007 06:30 PM Permalink
This shows how pak gov is hiding the facts from u people.. --> Harappa and mohanjedaro civilization is a Hindu civilization. --> Ashoka, The great ruled before any moguls!! --> Kanishka ruled before the advent of the moguls and his capital was ur city Peshawar. --> Moguls were like warlords and they never really ruled! exceptions were Akbar the great and Shah jahan. --> there are more muslims in India than pak, so will u say India should be a part of pak?? so silly!! we treat our muslim brothers as equals but do you treat Hindus the same way in pak?? Our President is a muslim, can u think of that in pak??
last but not the least pak is not ur motherland, u came from somewhere in central asia through the khyber pass and u had killed or removed the people who were there before u - nothing to be proud of!!
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
What can i reply on your false bogus blinded claims Mr Sam??You are just spewing your hatred here, i dont even want to answer to your baseless claims, you have not made sense in nothing. Harappa and Mohenjodaro is NOT a hindu civilization, get the facts..next thing you could be claiming that Germans were in fact Hindus because they are known as aryans and they have a symbol of Hindus. I pray allah to give more wisdom and to remove the blindfold from your eyes. And i though there were a few sensible Indians around. Well, what can i say my friend except that i pity you on your fabricated , half baked repertoire of bookish knowledge. Nothing you have told makes sense.I reccomend you to have a look at the history books in any nearby library instead of posting faceteous , half cooked jaragon of your imaginations. God Bless Zakir
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
and a small hint for you to start with MrSam, my friend, do you have any record about Alexander The Great´s tenure ??Just a hint for you, when you get yourself educated with historical artifacts ( facts not your blind assumptions), then we may talk, maybe.. God Bless, Zakir
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by Sam on Apr 23, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
you try to portray urself as literate but u r on the losing side... just get into facts if they are available in any of ur museums!! ofcourse they might've destroyed!! Harappans are sun worshippers, they also worshipped cows, neem tree, did not eat meat which is a proof, If you cant site any facts do not belittle others... and I know more world history than u half baked suppressed twig!! what do you want me to tell abt alexander, ask me I'll let u know!! If you cannot argue then just get out of the forum rather than blabbering something like half baked, bookish knowledge, imaginations etc.. provide facts if u can!!
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
Allah bless you, you never cease to amuse me, atleast others have had some sensible things to post, you have not even made sense in anything except perhaps JAI Hindoo, the phrase, i congrajulate you for your patriotism atleast that shows how you love your country and that is great. You, just like the id you have choosen is empty. According to your id you must be a Christain, but then if you are, i can understand your ignorance ,i repeat you have failed to make sense even in a single topic. If you are not a Christain, then Allah help you to give you wisdom to use atleast your true identity, You are all lost, as i can see, but then we do come across uneducated fools once in a while, so i will forgive you and also ask Allah to give you some wisdom, but then YOU SHOULD TRY..Use the google search for example and get yourself educated on the history and culture of your land first, imean where you live rather than posting absolute idiotic false bogus things about my land. GOD BLESS YOU SAMMMMM regards, Zakir
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by Sam on Apr 23, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
If u cannot stand the truth just get lost.. a human being cannot be more ignorant that this.. I'm a true Indian and my religion comes next, not like u pakis.. I dont need allah or mullah to teach me about history as I'm pretty good in it!! try to improve ur knowledge or atleast heed to people who has knowledge.. Are u dare enough to prove me wrong? I already see a great looser in you, poor fakir.. First learn history and then comment... now run away with ur tail between ur legs..
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by jet on Apr 23, 2007 09:30 PM Permalink
Abey Saley Zakir, Ur posts simply shows that ur only brawn and No brain. Gadhe Irish ki jaise dikhne me tui khush ho raha hai, tera apna vajood nahi hai kya sale. U r just an idiot.
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by Indian on Apr 23, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
Hey you all Indians i can understand one thing from zakir comments, he is trying to prove that he is very calm person, highly educated,& having good books knowledge, Great Mr.Zakit,so he is trying to prove that Pakistan is a good country, and the all Pakistanis are good, calm. May Be Zakir you are correct, what ever you say is correct, but keep it in mind,kashmir is not your's and it will be never your's, dont even think about it.else there will be no more pakistan map in the World map... Look i have not used any bad words, i am just telling you dont even think of kashmir dear.. it is just a warning,pakistan will be no more in the world map... Jai Hind...
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by BhejaFry on Apr 23, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
Hey Zakir, First unite Pakhtoonistan with Afganistan.because pathans and pashtuns are one and same,artifically divided by durand line. then talk about baluchistan's independence. then talk about sindh's independence. then talk about shia sunni violence. then talk about persecution of ahmadiyas. then talk about military rule.
once all that is done ,you can talk about kashmir!
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by Shyamashish Pradhan on Apr 23, 2007 05:53 PM Permalink
Ah glad to find a Pakistani talking reason! 1. Thanks for your wishes, and here is wishing you the same, you need it much more than us! 2. If you talk of 'since ages' not only Kashmir, the whole of Pakistan and Bangladesh was part of India. And if you go back some more ages, India started from the Hindukush (and hence Hindustan, nothing religious here). What are we talking about? 3.If customs and culture are the lines of division, you share it with Afghanistan, and even Iran too. Why are you not asking them for some of their area too? Ask in Baluchistan, if they want to stay with Pakistan!!! 4. So Shimla agreement was forced? Why tell this after so many years??? What does that solve? It was meant to be an 'agreement' with your head of state signing it I guess! 5.If you are talking of reason, do you think a separated state (like east and west Pak) was feasible? And that Bangladesh was not inevitable? 6. We have problems from within, its accepted we are such a big country with so many opinions. We are taking care of it, there is always a debate going on. Have you heard of debates in Pakistan? Will you just let us be? 7. I hail from India, and 99% of people here are peace loving. We dont kill somebody who doesnt agree with us. 8. I dont pray to God for this. This problem was man-made and should be solved by man.
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by Sam on Apr 23, 2007 06:11 PM Permalink
And add this too... 1)Since ages, Sind was an Integral part of India, Punjab in pakistan was developed by our Sikh brothers and hence it is also an integral part of India. 2)We do not send our armymen or trained militants into sind and punjab(pak) to kill people at will and create instability. 3)We dont fund terrorist activities on foreign soil. 4)Remember that India was the only country in the whole world to lose land after winning a war hands down. The war when LOC was created. It was not because of fear but for want of a peaceful settlement. 5)Now there are more pakistanis than kashmiris in pok(the so called azad kashmir) but India still does not allow people from other states to settle inside kashmir as it is still a disputed region. 6)Just look at the development and infrastructure on either side of the LOC. True kashmiris will like to be with India but religiously brainwashed people will say otherwise.. 7)PAKISTAN WILL NOT EVEN GET A SQ.MM OF KASHMIR..
Considering the development - Please take care of ur job and ur country rather than advising us zakhir bhai!!
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by on Apr 23, 2007 11:40 PM Permalink
you and your brothers are fit to meet the fate that was delivered t one of your true leader "Saddam Hussain". Hahahah . Called as the true glory of your present day Islamic world. This is what we would do to you..one by one. So no point in messing in our chat room. Just go and practise your religion so that it brings you back to stone age. You guys would meet your doom soon.
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by vishy singh on Apr 23, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
Zakir Please dont talk about ages. Ages ago Muslims didnt even live in these parts of the world. Dont forget who build oMhenjadaro and Harrappa, those were our ancestors. Also Banyan Budha which talibans destroyed was built by King Ashoka. Kashmir was the sacred land for all Indian saints till muslim invasion came. This are history lessons that your books in pakistan will never tell you. Even most of the sub-continent muslims were hindus, who converted under force, so there is no need to be proud of such a violent religion. And also kashmiris have nothing in common with you guys except religion and that too they follow sufism, which is very different from typical islam(taliban style). You muslims call everyone other muslim as brother and yet kill each other in Iraq(shia vs sunni ), Karachi ( mohajirs vs punjabis). So what I am trying to say is being muslim doesnt make you all the same. I am sure a punjabi muslim can get along with another punjabi hindu a lot better than a mohajir. So chill out and let me tell u this " Jiski Lathi uski Bhains", so we have kashmir and will keep it.
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
Allah bless you friends, but you have just given some hyped and false facts. First of all, iam a pathan, so i guess the terms ¨converted¨¨Mohajjir¨¨¨and other things dont apply to me. Secondly, i have never known any hindu existance in aand around the regions of Khyber pass since ages.We have all the artefacts,findings and other proof of the past, my ancestors were living there since ages..Thirdly, never was the region of Kashmir a sacred land of Hindus, even before ur king ASOKAA´s times, it was ruled by the great Moghul dynasty..if u did not know, even almost whole India was ruled in all splendour and glory by such emperors like babar, humayun, Akbar, Shahjahan.......and Mohammed Ghazni invaded India 19 times( or was it 26 times??) So all the arguments my Hindoo brothers have provided were a bit off the reality..Anyway, the bottom line is that we were a united region and especially what we call now Pakistan was predominantly dominated by muslim/afghan/pasthun cultures since ages and also bangladesh are more indian than us, in a sense that their culture, mannerisms, food,language ..everything resembles that of east Indians. In a way, the so called Bangladeshis were the original hindus converted to muslims.. The arguments can go on and on and on..but.. Regards..Allah Bless all Zakir
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by Ashok Patil on Apr 24, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
Now you have answered the question posed by mr.zakir, that why world does not like you people.slavery for 1000 years? execces committed by muslim invaders like babar,khilji,akbar,aurangzeb etc on local hindus and even today being commited by you the follwers of relegion of peace that prevails in grave yards.you, the muslim people of this subcontinent are converts who were converted by these invaders by force or you converted yourself due to greed or cowerdice either way you are worst kind of creed who, without understandig hinduism,abuse hindus. you have hatred in your heart for every non muslim, and intollerent towards other sects of islam. for example shia killing sunnis,ahamdias,sufis etc and you critisise hindus for castism.mr Zakir you call your self a pathan a muslim but just go back in history and u will find that till 11 th century Afghanista was a hindu country ruled by king Kanishka, millions of hindus were massacared by inveding muslims in hindukush(kustar) area so the name.Kashmir was rulled by a sikh maharaja Ranjeet singhjee and till 1947 Maharaja Harisinghji, only population in the vally converted to islam and rest are either hindus,sikhs and budishts which are systimatically driven out by jehadis.Read mahabharat were you shall find references to many places in afghanistan, for instant gandhari the queen of hastinapur and wife of dhrutarashtra was from g(k)andahar.and if u are so proud of your relegion why have left your country for england?to enjoy the life style and advancement and kill the local white too?you migrate to non muslim country and demand to construct mosques but refuse others the same previllage. there is no temple,church,gurudwara,synogogue,agiyari in saudi and middle east,what you had in pakistan is being demolished.Just look at ur general physic/featers and compare them with the sikhs and rajputs of india you will find that we are same blood but you converted and we did not.there lot to tell you but alas not time and space.till then may what i should say god,who i do not beleive,bless you
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by Jatin Das on Apr 23, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
I have an entirely different take on the kashmir issue. Here is my question. Let's just suppose Kashmir was given the independent status now IS THERE ANY GUARANTEE THAT THERE WILL BE DEMOCRACY AND CONSTITUTIONAL LAW??? Kashmir will turn into an Islamic state just like Pakistan in that case what about the 10% hindus currently living in Kashmir? Why should they be forced to follow Islamic law? Is that unconstitutional and against human rights? How come no politician ever considered this most important fact. The strenght of India and countries like U.S. lies in the separation of church and state (secularism)
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by Sam on Apr 23, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
This shows how pak gov is hiding the facts from u people.. --> Harappa and mohanjedaro civilization is a Hindu civilization. --> Ashoka, The great ruled before any moguls!! --> Kanishka ruled before the advent of the moguls and his capital was ur city Peshawar. --> Moguls were like warlords and they never really ruled! exceptions were Akbar the great and Shah jahan. --> there are more muslims in India than pak, so will u say India should be a part of pak?? so silly!! we treat our muslim brothers as equals but do you treat Hindus the same way in pak?? Our President is a muslim, can u think of that in pak??
last but not the least pak is not ur motherland, u came from somewhere in central asia through the khyber pass and u had killed or removed the people who were there before u - nothing to be proud of!!
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by Hemant on Apr 23, 2007 08:34 PM Permalink
You better read some neutral History book properly. You will get to know who was ruling the then Kashmir. It was ancestors of Raja Hari Singh. Raja Hari Singh was the last ruler of Kashmir State.
After reading all your posts on this forum, I fail to understand why in the first place did you guys agree for a partition if your intentions are pure and not that of hatred driven by religious agenda. And you say 70% of pakistan is peace loving. It is unfortunate that in today's times, we are still discussing what happenned 50 odd years back.
Just to make myself clear, I'm an educated levelheaded Indian. I do not have any hatred towards pakistan or pakistanis. I have lived alongside pakistanis in the UK and just like an aam Indian, an aam pakistani is a sweet person. But you notorious politicians starting with Jinnah have pursued a hidden agenda against Hindus and India all along. It's a fact.
And like you say, our country has been divided by hate, religion, internal stifles and corruption. Isn't this what Pakistan wants. Isn't this what you are trying to encourage, so that our motherland breaks into pieces. Inspite of all this, let me tell you, we will still remain as one country. When the time comes, we are prepared to shed our blood.
And, I believe you should get 'YOUR' facts right about Kashmir. Read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kashmir
Whatever you say, you cannot deny that you have eaten Indian salt. But today, you are trying to spit in the same plate.
Having said all this, I would like to end that even I pray to Allah, Eshwar to give you wisdom and courage to extend a path of harmony and peace and joy.
After all we are mere human beings. The land, trees, water, air - everything belongs to god and mother nature. It's so stupid of humans to draw boundaries and fight with each other. Probably, that's the way it's destined to be. End of kaliyuga.
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by Taxpayer on Apr 23, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
Zakir Peshawari , India ia stable country , but we are only irritated by your fellow Pakistanis and Bangladeshis who illegally occupy our country and destroy its harmony . Why can't you people stay in your country and improve it rather than indulging in our affairs?
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 23, 2007 05:52 PM Permalink
MrTaxpayer, please get your facts right . We are not accountable for Bangladeshis. Even in Lahore, karachi and rawalpindi, bangladeshis have migrated in heaps and are bringing bad name for us. I can assure you that 70-80%of Pakistan is friendly and homely unlike what is being projected by India,infact India instead of solving its own problems of terrorism, internal strife, religionism, regionalism and corruption is projecting Pakistan as a bad icon. Regards
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by Taxpayer on Apr 23, 2007 05:59 PM Permalink
I don't know where do you get the facts from . But according to information here , almost all the bomb blasts which has happened , directly involves a Pakistani organisation , may be it belongs to the 30 % remaining population as you have said . So Kindly requesting you educate them , India can Handle its internal problems by itself , we don't need your knowledge for this . We have a framework to work upon , it is slow and steady , but a progress is a progress however painstaking it is
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by josyula kanaka subramanyam on Apr 23, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
Mr.Zakir, it may be true that any person what you refer support Pakistan, because of your supporters had driven millions of Hindu pandits who lived in Kashmir for year together (even before Pak.was emrged),from their legitimate land mercilessly killing and raping the lot. Now, those pundits are living in makeshift tents in Delhi like refugees. But our Governemtn is more concerened to those people who are constantly killing our security personnel in our KASHMIR rather than supporting the real sufferers turmoiling in the streets of Delhi. This is the hospitality we ar extending to Kashmirirs.Our Govt.Of India is patiently waiting for peaceful settlement. You appreciate us and Government. You are totally ignorant of the fact that not only Pak or Bangla were an integral part of Indial but also Afganisthan(Gandhar as was called)Burma,Malaysia etc. Proven historical facts are available. Even pakistan was emerged on the supreme sacrifice the Hindus who fought for freedom. Even any one on the earth agree or not KASHMIR WAS/IS/WILL be an integral part of India. You won't satsify even the entire world is given to you. May peace be upon you. With love J.N.K.S
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by Zakir Peshawari on Apr 24, 2007 12:16 AM Permalink
Dear friends, i cant understand why there is so much hatred in your heart. It seems you have been all programmed to hate us Pakistanis from your birth. When i come with an olive branch, what do i see here?Only hatred, bad words and more tension. I humbly request you guys to forgive me if i have spoken anything wrong but all i want to tell you guys is that the problems lie in the fact that you hindoos worship creation( ie serpents, cows, stones, demons, elephants and even living fake holy people who cheat and mentally brain wash you)Instead of the creation, you should be worshipping the creator the Almighty Allah. I pray to Allah to grant you wisdom and peace of mind instead of badmouthing us, what is shown in your so called Bollywood movies where pakistanis are projected as gun weilding jihadis is utterly wrong. We are peace loving and caring instaed of strife ridden Indians and we are united. Please understand me friends.. regards, Zakir Pathani Peshawari
When you dont understand Hinduism, dont just blabber whatever you like. We are not stopping you from praying whoever you like. You guys are misleading your fellow human beings promising them so called Jannat and women and leading thousands of them to their deaths.
Hinduism does not preach war or hatred. It shows the true path to life. If we worship serpents, cows, etc, our forefathers came up with such practices to preserve nature.
Do you understand that cows milk is the most nutritious after mother's milk? And you guys have no hesitation in killing the animal which helped you grow up. There is a basic difference in what you preach and follow, and what hinduism preaches and follows.
Many of the animals are either shown as gods or alongwith gods so that they are not killed without reason, thereby, preserving the balance of nature.
I realise that you are just a sweet talking hawk. You are just playing with words and provoking people on this forum. It would be helpful, if you spent that time qualitatively.
