India is a country that produced Gandhi, Gautam Buddha, the only country in the whole world which fought violence with nonviolence. Oh, but times have changed, haven't they? Now we won't take the `secular' crap lying down, we will show the world our national pride by hammering down a TV channel's office because they dared to show the story of an inter-religious love. No, we won't learn from the past. We won't stop fighting and killing in the name of our Gods. And we will use such public forums to spread more hatred and filth. We will refuse to learn that violence does not achieve anything and that as a country of many languages, customs, religions and faiths, we must learn to co-exist rather than go out at the slightest provocation on streets and start torching each other. We will live and die with our prejudices. We will target the Press and not our politicians who are the real criminals and play the Hindu-Muslim card, the Minority-Majority card, the rich and the poor card to keep us distracted from their own incompetence and corruption. We will not learn that under our labels, we are human beings sharing the same planet and we will die ignorant. Serves us right.
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by reema moudgil on Apr 16, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
Iam not defending a 16 year old girl's news story. Only wondering where do our morality keepers go when a Nithari happens, when a cancer patient gets raped in a hospital (refer to todays news), when young girls are trapped in prostitution rings. Such news reports are also reported by the media but noone protests against the system that allows such things to happen and keep on happening.
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by biju nair on Apr 16, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
India is part of this same world were there is terrorism every where in the name of religion. If you believe you can keep your seperate non violent identity you are in fools paradise. With the communication and internet revolution the whole world had become so tine. You can't keep India isolated from whatever happening in your neighborhood. You won't be able to survive in front of barbarians with your non violence as defense weapon.
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by reema moudgil on Apr 16, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
Mr Nair, Iam sure I don't need to explain the difference between attacking a nation and attacking a Television office. Iam talking about the misplaced anger we have starting using to attack everything we do not agree with today. A film poster, a news report or anything we consider as a threat to us gets blown out of proportion and we descend on streets, with weapons and hatred to teach each other a lesson. Going by this trend, we won;t need another country to bomb us out of existence, we will do it by ourselves, thanks you very much.
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by karthik adapa on Apr 17, 2007 12:26 AM Permalink
hi reema ,i find ur arguments logical and sensible but unfortunately u are arguing with few morons who refuse to understand .how ever ur effort is commendable
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by reema moudgil on Apr 16, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
Mr Aryaputra, My father was a devout Hindu, read Geeta to his dying day but he wore a Sikh bracelet on his wrist till his last day and it di not make him a lesser Hindu. Our house was set on fire during the worst phase of Hindu Sikh tensions in Punjab and he was approached by Trishul brandishing young men who offered to avenge us by setting the sikh homes on fire. I remember what he said, ``Our walls are common, if you set their homes on fire, my house will burn too and one day, there children and mine too will pay for our mistakes.'' But this is a lesson too profound for blind men who cannot see beyond their own hatred.
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by Faizan Kidwai on Apr 17, 2007 12:51 AM Permalink
Mr. Aryaputra. It seems that u have been living in a fools paradise.Firstly, there have been disturbances between muslims and others across the globe because Islam is a global religion unlike Hinduism,Jainism etc.So u have more cases been reported.Secondly, the so called global media from where u derive your sources is a mere puppet in the hands of few Western powers.The Iraq fiasco showed us a trailor of that. If Islam had been anything else besides a true religion it would not had spread across the world so fast and it still continues to be the fastest growing religion in the world.Also, Islam was never spread on sword.Had it been, then the whole of Indian subcontinent would had been converted over 1000 years of muslim reign.On the contrary the whole of western Europe was eradicated of Muslims by the Christians.Crusades are another example.So do you want to say that Christianity is bad. I say "No".
The problem is not with the religion but with the people following it.U can't blame a religion,an ideology for the problems of the world.We had problems earlier too but at that time the media wasn't that matured and effective.
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by sam on Apr 17, 2007 03:40 AM Permalink
Faizan your suggestion that religion is not bad, may be true. But to my knowledge, may be its limited but polygamy is encouraged by Islam is it good, Islam dosent give recognition to any religion isnt it potent enough to make Islam followers violent. In fact root cause of these terrorism is due to non tolerance of Islam and no recognition of other religions. Now why it is followed worl wide, read Islamic history you will know how many people followed out of will and how many were forced. Simple example Aurnagjeb had "Jajiya Tax" imposed on non muslims. The very foundation is wrong, the concept of one GOD thats Allah is the root of the violence worldwide. Hindu;s have a history of tolerance but Islamic extremism is leading to fanaticism in some Hindu's also to save themselves.
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by biju nair on Apr 17, 2007 12:17 AM Permalink
Dear Reema,
Assuming all Indians became good people one day. Do we need Military? If your answer is yes then why?
I feel we still need a military as a deterrent for other countries especially our neighbors.
Assume our military is the most powerful on earth. Will any country dare to attack us? If at all some fools did that mistake and your military thinks they have to follow non violence then what is the use of strong military? Instead if our military teach the attacker a lesson they will never dare to attack us again.
The same policy is applicable to religions and religious wars also. Hindus should be strong enough to teach the attacker a lesson if attacked. Then only there will me mutual respect.
Majority Hindus are cowards so they don't deserve any respect. Neither the politicians nor other religious followers respect Hindus. No media respect Hindus. Every body looks at Hindus with contempt. Why because they are cowards hiding under the cover of secularism, tolerence and non violence.
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 16, 2007 11:41 PM Permalink
the last time i checked, even moderate nations like Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey are gaining fundamentalism rapidly. This is the situation from South eas Asia to West Asia. India is between a sea of these rabidly fundamentalist muslim nations. Once upon a time most of them were tolerant places.
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by avi on Apr 17, 2007 12:22 AM Permalink
Ms Remma, Please stop preaching the Gandhi (we have lost 30 years of freedom 30% land due to his love for non-violance and NL Neahru). and Budha (Sorry no offence), but it is bitter historic truth- before budha (or budhism/ call it Non-violance Dharma)there were also foreigner's invension of this land, but that were fought and the land was protected, but after so many kings started practicing Budhism (at that time Muslim invension was on its peak) we have lost to them. So dont preach them- which is not in the best of use of this land. Regarding "No, we won't learn from the past. "- we have learnt from the past - "Jiski Lathi Uski Bhens".
Every body putting all the blame of Muslim terror in this country on "06/12/92" Answer one question- is befor 06/12/92 all was ok in India from communal harmony- I dont know where u live in India- but come to Aligarh (UP)- where it was normal to have carfue on all major hindu festivals- due to fear of attck from Muslims- and on all Muslim's festivals there was some sort of violance. We cant forgat the days of dec. 1981 in aligarh. the entire hindu block was on fire, coz there was violance between Shia and Sunni. No we have learnt from past?
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by karthik adapa on Apr 17, 2007 12:30 AM Permalink
hey , man understand one thing u spew venom on a community ,but thats becoz u have learnt to have prejudices on a community from ur socialisation.in a communal conflict people dont die selectively from one community .they die from both sides .infact if they have to stop it has to stop with us .we need to stop this blame game and move on .there are rogue elements on both sides .ur hard talking will only help those elements ot fuel more hatred.
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by avi on Apr 17, 2007 12:42 AM Permalink
Mr Karthik I agree with u fully. Thats why i put the date 06/12/92. dont make it as reason for all your future deeds and acts and crimes. So when the attack on parliament took place it should be deal as stand alone basis- or should that also be blamed on 06/12/92- no na!. (But my dear thats what is happening in India). When they break low and order here they blame on 06/12/92. Ok lets forgate about this. it is not a part of topic here. but can u do one thing - I will stop talking this. and so also many people along with me. Just shut the Mouth of The Shai Imam of Delhi. Who will put the the lease in his neck. do u have that power.
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 16, 2007 11:29 PM Permalink
Ms. reema moudgil, why don't you preach the same thing to muslims you hypocrite? We Hindus only react to what happens to us. When did self defence become wrong.
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by reema moudgil on Apr 16, 2007 11:34 PM Permalink
Mr Chaitanya Kumar, how can a newsreport make you so insecure as to think of think of phrases like `self defence'? This is country that took on invaders after invaders but never lost its identity. Iam not talking about Hinduism or Islam...Iam talking about tolerance which fundamentalists of any religion refuse to understand and the results are for all to see.
