hi ashok, the population of backward classes in tamilnadu is 46.14%.the percentage of seats reserved for them is 30%.the non reserved category s population in tamilnadyu is 12.95%.the percentage of open competition seats is 31%. if the upper castes get lesser marks than the backward castes in the open competition,who is to be blamed? see this webpage. http://www.tamilnation.org/caste/reservations.htm
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by r patil on Apr 30, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
Will the government divide each reserver category in sub category according to various population and set the reserved sub percental.
Say you come from obc which is given 30% reservation but your cast people are only 5% of the total obc's and they are educational well ahead of other obc who are 95% of the total obc polution .So now you know that your cast people are morally eligible for only 2% reservation and not 30% percent as you think.
Whenever government has tried to bring sub division of the exsisting reservation the dominant educationaly advanced cast have always opposed it.The same thing is going in AP I have read Two caste (I am not so sure about their name )madga and malaya who come under SC category among them one cast is very prosporpous then other in term of education and jobs.BUt even when the other less develop cast is asking for sub division out of the qouta and a bigger share.The other cast is not even ready for division forget the percentile of the share.Can you tell you us why.Do you agree with it.
Dinesh and all pro reservationist when you give some reason for reservation for your particular caste category ,for very same reason you people in general oppose sub division of the qouta between the casts coming in the same category.
Wheater you or some body like you belive , by asking and taking reservation you all are digging your own grave.Since the argument you all come up with in support of reservation , you will always find other set of people from your own group to justify again a sub division of the quota using those very arguments.Then you people have no option to morally oppose it.Yes physicaly and politicaly you'll can oppose only only if your caste is VOTE BANK and political heavy weight.
Friends reservation is a BHASAMASUR which will burn you up in the long run.So be senseble and think in long run for the betterment of not only your caste or your caste category but also about the general category people too.
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by vikas patel on Apr 30, 2007 10:17 AM Permalink
Good one... & why do they need reservation for creamy layered too ? Arnt they completive enough ?
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by ASHOK on Apr 29, 2007 11:37 PM Permalink
That does not answer my questions: 1)How many NUS Singapore scholarships goes to SC/ST if they are competing well with so called upper class. 2)In 1950 Singapore was no differrent than Bombay of 1950. Why Singapore is so much ahead with minimum crime rate and one of the best on transparency. 3) How many new patents are being filed from Tamilnadu every year.Which are not matched by other states in the India or world. 4)Why Gujarat has 3 out of 5 petrochemical plants.( If Tamil nadu is so ahead >> It has none) 5) Why Gujarat has India's 3 largest Refineries,>> why Tamilnadu has a very small ONE refinery, which does not contribute even 5% where as just 3 refineries in Gujarat are contributing more than 50% of Indias Refining capacity. 6)Why maximaum IPO contribution comes from Gujarat. where is Tamil Nadu in stock exchange. 7) Gujarat has airport at Ahmmedabad / Baroda/Jamnagar/Rajkot/Bhuj and Surat is coming up. How many do we have in Tamil Nadu 3 Gujrat refineries are going to be privatly owned 8)Why do you compare Tamil Nadu with Karnataka.
I sincerly believe it is not caste based politics, it is people who make the difference.
Trust me our politicians hoodwinked us on the name of differrent issues and they are doing nothing differrent this time. As India becomes huge reservoir of talent, no one needs resevation as industry is expanding and no one has a reason to fight for limited seats and quota system. I will write another thread explaining how our politicians kept on suppressing talented India, by bringing in various hurdles and fear factors. caste is just one of them. And I believe that politicians have no caste, except one of GREED and being Corrupt. Barring just few.
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by dinesh kumar on Apr 30, 2007 12:18 AM Permalink
hi ashok,i have no intention of debating about who is bigger,who is greater etc. i cited tamilnadus case as it has consistently been implementing reservations for other backward castes. u obviously have experiences that have created a revulsion in u and an anger. i can understand that.if i were in ur position i would be feeling exactly the same. but what ive been trying to convince people on this forum is that theres no basis for ur anger.that doesnt mean im belittling ur feelings.all im trying to do is to show the facts to u and make u to come down from ur anger. now ,the facts i stated to u,46 % of the population is getting 30 % of the seats,while 13 % of the population is getting the chance to compete in 31 % of the seats.if that 13 % of the upper castes are outscored by the people from the reserved category,where does the fault lie? it can be called discriminatory if the backward classes are given a percentage reservation more than their population percentage. the reservation has been provided in the constitution.instead of fighting within the rules,people are expressing frustration through the media and expressing opinions that they will go to america. forgive me , but that is the behaviour of a child. there are ways and means to get grievances redressed.u have to fight for ur rights.the scheduled castes and the backward classes were fighting for a century or more.once the upper castes find their privileged position weakening,they have resorted to badmouth the constitution,the politicians and everything else and want to go to america.that is the saddest thing to do. how many members of the middle class are members of any political party.look at the u.s.the common man takes active part in politics.
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by ASHOK on Apr 30, 2007 01:23 AM Permalink
Dear friend I do not want to run away. Now I am 52 year old, just 7 years of my career I worked for ONGC than vacated my Deputy Director Position for ( upper caste or Backward class >> what ever Govt wanted to give to) Ever since I am not dependent on Govt Job , Nor I want to burden Govt of India. US is not waiting for me with open arms unless I again prove that I am top level oil field expert. It is ever going struggle. I started from a very humble background. If I can do it others can also do it ( ST/SC/OBC & Upper class). My schooling was on floor. My fee was 35 paise per day in a Arya Samaj school in Delhi. I was never a creamy layer even in upperclass where some of SC/ST/OBC may hate me. Even If I finally leave India, it will be saddest day in my life. I believe 1984 ONGC SC/ST batch knows me, despite being so called UPPERCASTE, how helpfull I was in teaching whole batch for what is ENHANCED OIL RECOVERY in my LAB. Do what ever you want to do, it is vote bank politics. I believe India would have been much advanced if we were not divided by our learned politicians and I do not see any need of of it if we have enough of everything in education and industry, and not population. In 1970 I was selected at IIT Delhi but could not get 150 RS per month as my fathers salary was less than 120 Rs per month. But still I am pretty OK now on an international scene when I talk to EXXON & SHELL experts at par and I am totally educated out of India.
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by rumba cardi on Sep 23, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
got an accident a year before & got foot enjuiry & was operated by upper class doctor 7 still not able to walk as a negligence on a doctors part as he does not perform his operation well , & bill was in thousands ,so what is bad if resevation is being nade compulsory as upper caste doctorrs is also doing negligence on his part,now i believe that reservation is not a bad idea
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by ASHOK on Apr 30, 2007 01:33 AM Permalink
Dinesh I also do not want Tamil Nadu vs Gujarat, unless you started Tamil Nadu vs Karnataka. It is known,Gujraties did not pay attention to ENGLISH wheras TamilNadu did. But even than Gujarat made a mark on Indian economic scene. it is now that Gujarat is waking upto reality. But still moving ahead in its own way. It is industralisation which gives enough jobs and props up demand for education that you do not need Reservation.
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by dinesh kumar on Apr 30, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
ashok,u have wrongly assumed that i compared tamilnadu and karnataka,i was trying to tell that both tamilnadu and karnataka have many engg colleges ,and are seeing better development,where is the message that i compared tamilnadu and karnataka?
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by vikas k patel on Apr 30, 2007 10:12 AM Permalink
If upper cast is outscored from the reserved category ... u should not ask where does the fault lie ? or who is to be blamed? Rather the relevant question is Do u still need reservation ? Any way they have out classed the so called minority rulers no ? & why no debating .. what r u here for ? Do u feel ppl 'll take u as preacher ? U seriously need to correct your thinking man...
