This forum is filled with RSS Jocky's propogating Hinudism and promoting the Fasicts Agenda of the RSS that is to distroy muslims in india. This dream of the RSS safronization will never work and thier dreams will never be fulfilled. Many of the acts of the RSS has come to lite and people now a days have realised that it is not Hindutva they want but they want Jobs, education, food, employment and a better life. When the safforn Engine was in power NDA (Govt) they where busy invoolved with scandels and busy miniting money. Now when they are out of power they want to create mischief and play games with peoples emotions with keeping alive the agenda of hindutva. Therfore Hindutva = Power = Money.
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by on Apr 15, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
hey (dirty)play, are you from al quieda? People should realize that they want job, education rather than terrorism. Bafoon, do you even know meaning of hindutva? When saffron engine (NDA) was in power, INDIA really made huge leaps in the development. After this circus came to power, everything is totaled around reservation and muslim. Grow up and get a life. JAY HIND
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by andre joseph on Apr 16, 2007 06:19 AM Permalink
yes yes, when nda was in power we saw it happen on TV. Politicians stuffing bundles of currency into their desks. The BJP is synonymous with troublemaking and it's no wonder they were booted out of power.
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by kitttigadu on Apr 16, 2007 10:29 AM Permalink
Omar Mofo Shariff,
The day we reduce your popluation to single digits is not far off. That day, when you are isolated, you will realize why the Hindus got reduced to 1% in Pakistan. Unless you face the danda yourself, you cannot emphatize with those who have already faced it. You will be the last of your kind, just like some Moorish fellow was in medevial Spain before he was thrown across the straits of Gibraltar.
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by play on Apr 15, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
Haa you people will never come up in life. This is what is called planned abusing. In the rule of NDA the nation suffered with RSS terrorism and unrest including the Gujrath Riots. I dont have to give figures for you as u r a RSS chamca urself.
Gowalkers formulations of Hindutva Fascism are so blatant that even his followers, the RSS combine, is running for cover and claiming that his book (Bunch of Thoughts promoting Hindu Fasicm), having a naked hatred for minorities and eulogies of the likes of Hitler, We%u2026, was not written by him. They avoid owning these ideas. But one knows that this book was penned by him. In an affidavit submitted to the charity commissioner, Rajendra Singh, a later Sarsanghchalak pleaded, With a view to give a scientific base to propagate the idea-India being historically from time immemorial a Hindu nation-the late Shri M.S. Golwalkar had written a book entitled We or Our Nationhood defined, which was published in 1938.(Quoted in Islam, Undoing India: The RSS way) J.A. Curran in his classic study, RSS: Militant Hinduism in India Politics- A study of RSS: points out The genuine ideology of Sangh is based upon principles formulated by its founder, Dr. Hedgewar. These principles have been consolidated and amplified by the present leader ( i.e. Golwalkar) in a small book called We or our nationhood defined. It is a basic primer in the indoctrination of Sangh volunteers%u2026 (Curran 1979, p.39). Since its quotations have been brought to the notice of people, RSS publishing houses have stopped republishing this book.
In this book he rejects the notions of Indian nationhood, India as a Nation in the making. He rejects the idea that all the citizens will be equal. He goes on to harp the notions of nationhood borrowed from Hitler's Nazi movement. He rejects that India is a secular nation and posits that it is a Hindu Rashtra. He rejects the territorial-political concept of nationhood and puts forward the concept of cultural nationalism, which was the foundation of Nazi ideology. His admiration of Hitler's ideology and politics is the running thread of the book and he takes inspiration from the massive holocaust which decimated millions of people in Germany. He uses this as a shield to propagate his political ideology. It is this ideology which formed the base of communal common sense amongst a section of the population. "German national pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races, the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into a united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by." (We%u2026, 1938, p.37) Read this. first and know the truth for yourself before making any conclusions you prick.
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by pagla on Apr 15, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
I am sure you are a muslim. Before giving me lacture on secularism, tell me in which other country, muslims get such fascilities they get in India as a minority? Here, you can destroy a temple of great GOD of the majority community and make a mosque and demand to have full right on that mosque. In other muslim countries, minority don't even have a right to have worship place in their land. What is your explanation for that? Don't quote from any book. Tell me why each terrorist act is done by muslims. What answer you have for this? RSS is the first organization to help when there is a disaster. If you go and ask people of kuchh in gujarat after earth quake, they will tell you, same with people of orrissa after cyclone. You guys have guts to openly critisize majority community in India, what about some hindu critisizing muslims in saudi arebia? Recently, 5 french people were killed, why? because they were sitting on the road to macca, this much intolerance????? Grow up. Don't argue for the sake of arguing. I don't mean to say all the muslims are bad. But you guys have some serious problem that need to be ractified otherwise world peace will be gone. And by the way, it's my hindu culture that I don't tell you chamacha or chamachi. You are free to practise your culture as you live in INDIA. JAY HIND
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by play on Apr 15, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
You cant compare Saudi arabia to justify hinudism or hindu fascism. Saudi arabia is a 100% muslim populated country and the people of saudi arabia is 100% muslim. Where as India is not 100% hindu country as your affiliates in the RSS circles proclaim. India is a complex country where many religion or religious groups practice thier own religion. Beside the great thing of india is that Indians are secular in nature and co exist for more than 1000 years. Unfortunatley The owner of hindu religion the RSS after 1947 thinks it owns india too. Therfore what you have said is uncomparable looking at geographical, religious, cultural aspects of India.
You said that dont quote from the book. It is very clear and evident that you are denying the facts about the ideological mind set of RSS. That is to create a hindu nation and describe a non hindu as a threat to the nation. Just agree to this ideology. and for your information it is a known fact the RSS killed the mahatma who was a leader for all the people irespective of any religion. You cannot deny this fact either coz there is solid proof if you look at the historical records and hard core evidence of RSS actions during that time.
Regarding your point that RSS is involved in relief work. Yes it does relief work no doubt the question is for who? Only the hindu's . and when? when there is something to benfit (political gain) it does all sorts of community caring acts which is well known. If it would have cared very much for the humanity it wouldnt have done this genocide or propogating the Wiping of muslims in gujrath during the Gujrath riots.
Regarding your point about critisizing the muslims yes you can critisce muslims for sure. But criticse those thugs or anti social elements who are creating mic chief in the community. Where as when a hindu does RSS just protects him in the name of Nationalism and when a muslim does he is a Terrorist for sure without any investigation. This is the big differance.
Before giving th eopinion about muslims having serious problem just see what is the cause of the problem. Instead of addressing the greviences of the cause you The RSS is magrinalizing and calling the whole community as a threat to the nation.
If you want more information about the agenda of teh RSS i will give it to you no problem. My seriious advise to you is dont just blindly follow what the people say in the media or what RSS says. Investigate for your ownself, seek the truth and than come to the opinion.
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by harvinder kaur bhuller on Apr 16, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
When you both understand that India is a secular country then why don't you respect this country with your own heart and please do not use this dirty politics for serving humanity. I think both Ram and Allah have never ever fought amongst themselves theny who gave us the right for it. How many times must you both be remembering your own gods and praying them from your heart and trying to follow their footstep forget that your own steps would not even led you to mandir or masjid but it will surely take you on road to burn the buses and destroy the mankind around you. Its high time we stop fighting amongst ourselves.
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by pagla on Apr 15, 2007 08:15 PM Permalink
Again this is a typical mindset of muslims. We are terrorist because people make us, what a load of crap. Where ever muslims are there, that piece of real estate has lost peace. Isn't that a fact? Follower of The religion of peace, shia and sunnies are killing each other. If they don't get enough of each other, they are killing other peoples. If you quote from books about RSS, let me quote you Anwar Sheikh and his book, Islam Review. I am sure you won't know him or you would deny whatever he says. He is from your own community and look what he has to say about islam. And this is your explanation that saudi arebia is a muslim country and india is a secular?? There are christians and hindues in saudi arebia. Leave alone saudies, which other muslim country gives permission to have temple in their country? Look at pakistan, hindues were 15 % of population in 47, now they are 1-2 %. You are telling me to look at hindu, why don't u look at muslims? And you don't know RSS. you are quoting books of muslims who wrote for RSS. RSS says, first you are Indian and then religion comes. What's wrong with this? I know about RSS, i don't need any information from you about RSS. May be if you need information about anwar sheikh, I can provide you. DOn't tell me he is a rotten apple, because that guy is a scholer. When someone from your own community writes stuff like this, you become shahmrug, and close your eyes. Hindues are not keeping muslims backword, actually muslims are much better in India. Look at muslims anywhere else, people here are more educated and earning more and living much better life than muslims in any other countries. You haven't answered why would muslims kill 5 french men who were just sitting on a road to mecca, infact they were repairing the road. What is your answer for this intolerance? Don't answer this by quoting RSS.
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by play on Apr 15, 2007 08:33 PM Permalink
I havent said that you are terrorists. But anybody belonging to the RSS of course is the terrroist. The ideology itself says that. The RSS cannot tolerate minorities and especially muslims. Its written in your own RSS Book. Read it for yourself.
See anwar sheik is not the representative of ISlam. Not even a scholar. Tell me in which islamic university did he get his degree? So if you are giving that comparison i can say that any hindu thug who writes anything about islam is the representative of the large Hindu Community? See you cant compare that. If you want to compare you have to refer to the authentic Hindu scriptures between vedas and teh Quran, .
Regarding the killing of french tourists i very much condem it and those who have killed them are mear criminals. I do not know what thier agenda is and certainly for sure they are not representatives of the large muslim commmunity.
See you have to respect the law of the land. Yes there are christans and hindus but they are not indegenous saudees? They are expatriates. How can they build any temple here where as the indegenious community is practicsing islam? Where is the logic here? The expatriates have come here to work. They are free to parctice thier religion in thier homes. This is the law of the land . I didnt know you are so illogical.
Pakistan is not 100% muslim country. Yes pakisatn has temples, gurdwaras. Because even the indegenious people there are also from other faiths.
See you are not willing to learn. This is the typical mindset of the RSS no doubt. I am not telling anwar sheik as rotten apple because i havent read what he has said or proclaimed. But this much i know for sure that he is not the representative of the muslim community nor he is a well known scholor. Just give a well known scholar of islam read thier book.
See i have answered all your questions.You are notwilling to learn the RSS agenda. thats all.
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by pagla on Apr 15, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
and other than gujarat, what riots happened in NDA rule? Tell me. Why Gujarat happened? If some people from your community/religion have not attacked hindues, would this happened? and which RSS terrorism you are talking about? Give me example if you know. RSS is a nationalistic organization unlike some organization from your religion/community. NDA was much better than this UPA circus. What you muslims have achieved in 60 some years after independence by voting for congress? Other communities are growing and you are going backward. People are learning science and maths and you are learning ancient life style, prohibit young people from learning maths and science as it's anti islam??? Islam may be a great religion, I have no doubt about it. But some where, there is a big problem, otherwise religion cannot preach violence. Any answer for that? Jay Hind
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by play on Apr 15, 2007 08:13 PM Permalink
Now dont start to defend the actions of the NDA govt. If you go according to the statistics during the NDA rule there where more Terrorist attacks and riots in the 6 year rule. I am not saying this the statistics is saying it.
Look terrorism is a word which is created by america and unfortunatley it is being used against muslims. If a muslim does terrroist attack the whole muslim community have to bear the brunt of this. 800 years back spain was ruled by muslims. and when the christian crusaders attacked spain and wiped out muslims does christian religion become a Terrroist itself? The problem is you cant blame the religion for what the people do. Any muslim who kills any innocent human being is not a muslim. We muslims cannot do that. Yes to defend ourself when attacked we can do that but killing anybody whereever he belongs we cant do that. Islam never allows that. I agree many of the terrorist have been done by muslims. But you cannot paint every muslim with the same brush.
Yo call RSS a a nationalistic organization. Ok for a moment i agree that it is a nationalistic organization. I ask you one simple question how do you proclaim it is a nationalistic organization? What about its agenda to apeease muslims, what about its book the bunch of thought where its chief openly says in his book that what hitler has done is a good thing? i am not saying this the RSS ideology says this?
Muslims have achived nothing. I agree. But you cannot refer to the madrasa education for the backwardness. This is what you are trying to refer to. Infact it is the govt apathy towards muslims that the muslims are being like this. The polcies which should have benifitted muslims never got benifits. Its the policts and the govt officials who are responsible for it. Muslims ruled india for more than 800 years. If muslims wanted they could have converted each and every hindu to Islam. But why it never did? if it had happened now majority in india should have been muslims and why it is only 12% of the population?
See there is no problem in Islam. Who said Islam preaches violence? Have read the ISlamic scriptures? Have you read the Glorious Quran and its meaning? No you havent.
See i can give you 1000s of answers like this. I want you to accept what i have said.
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by Chiru on Apr 15, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
Quran may not preach violence but muslims preach violence to fellow muslims. Muslims are slaughtering non mulsims everywhere be it Algeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Phillipines, Malaysia, India (Kashmir and North Eastern regions), Iran (remeber Parsies - now less than 2 % are left in Iran), Yougoslovia (kosovo), Chechenya, Sudan, Ethiopia etc... the list never ends.
Watch the videos below: A mulims woman speaks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYB4pG3kHIY
Another link Hindu Temples destroyed in Malaysia an Islamic Country: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s5lKylKMGE
Islam is not spread by Quran. Islam is spread by violence, killing non-muslims and killing muslimns who oppose certain barbaric acts preached in Islam.
Before hating RSS or Hindus. Muslims should fight those muslims who are killing millions of non-muslims worldwide. Just defending those killings or being a mute spectators will not help.
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by abhijit ghosh on Apr 15, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU THE TYPE OF TREATMENT YOU ARE GIVEN WHEN YOU ARE THERE IN KASHMIR YOU KNOW WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS ALL ABOUT? THEY ACCUSE INDIA OF ILL TREATMENT AND ENJOY RADIO PAKISTAN ON THEIR SHIKARAS . THIS GOVT IS ALSO STUPID THAT IT FOLLOWING THE POLICY OF APPEASEMENT WE HAVE BECOME A MINORITY IN OUR COUNTRY
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by kitttigadu on Apr 16, 2007 02:35 AM Permalink
If that is the case, why are you monkeys building mosques in North America, Australia and Europe. You fellows have gone there only to make a living. So practice your desert cult within your homes, and not outside. Understand.
And what do you say for the fact that the Pakis have reduce our Hindu population fro 25-30% at the time of partition to less than one 1% now. That reflects on the glorious traditions of genocide in Islam, doesn't it. We Hindus have seen through your bullshit games. Be ready to face the music.
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by Omar Shariff on Apr 16, 2007 05:18 AM Permalink
You monkeys also building temples in america and europe. maybe hindu population is decrease to 2% in pakistan because hindu there cannot practice rss hinduism and all hindus return to india. you also practice your bramin cult in home.
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by abhijit ghosh on Apr 15, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
I THINK FOR YOU AL-QAEDA , SIMI, HIZB AND LET ARE NATIONALISTIC ORGANISATION , HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT WHY A MUSLIM NAME CROPS UP IN ANY TERRORIST ATTCK ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD ???
