Message is simple to congress : shape up or ship out. Even for central govt. Stop the appeasement policy, stop wooing minorites and reserved castes for votes, if u want them to develop then remove reservation. Stop bringing ridiculous laws to curb judiciaries and stop giving rise to regionalism. People in Maharashtra r guilty of imposing Marathi on all ppl living in this state despite they r or they r not willing to speak in it. Now this state politicians r trying to caste Tendulkar to regionalist frame too. This is ridiculous. For this state, the world is in Maharashtra itself, they wont look beyond it, for them Mumbai is India and the "marathi manus is under severe threat"...We r going to 21st century and this state is going to 19th century -- example : some statue breaks and ppl create vandalism, burn public property and do the damage !!!!
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by Rakesh Koparde on Apr 12, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
have you ever gone to southern states? I don't know, how much you have geographical knowlege? Next to maharashtra, there is one state called as Karnataka.. where kannad only is the official language. Go to tamilnaad, they won't talk even in hindi.and now if you try, they may beat you. If everybody in rest of India are so concerned abt their mothertounge, what's wrong if marathi prople stress for marathi that too in maharashtra. Better go to chennai and tell ur logic there.
regatding statue, that happen everywhere in India.You cann't blame only maharashtrians. I have seen in b'lore how kannadigas behaved when the actor rajkumar was dead that too because of old age.
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by XXXX VVVV on Apr 12, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
Oh really? So what do you want? Hindi to be the official language of Maharashtra? And Patna to be the capital of Maharashtra. Remember, Maharashtrians are educated and pretty adjustable people but now enough is enough. Time to go back to wherever you came from. You are free to go anywhere in the country but leave our state. And don't tell us about that silly "Constitution" of Bharat. It was never created by sane people and we disagree to be a part of it. Maharashtra will be Maharashtra only; with or without India. Now please get out.
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by sameer tare on Apr 12, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
4X and 3vs, wot a rubbish attitude u hv, u r a born disgrace to this state n country. Those ppl who dont respect national symbols shud be sent to Pakistan or Bangladesh or SriLanka. And if most of the ppl of this ridiculous state end up going there , it would be very good. Maharashtrians r educated, yes but loook at the attitude of puneri people. they dont help ppl, they misguide them to wrong addresses when u ask them for pointers, they wud insult u if go to their places or shops b.w 1 to 4. Such ppl r huge disgraces.....Wot does this "Jai Maharashtra " mean ? Are u a separate country and if guys like u advocate this then u shud be jailed for life in a black hole with no light !!! Wot does it mean "And don't tell us about that silly "Constitution" of Bharat. It was never created by sane people and we disagree to be a part of it. Maharashtra will be Maharashtra only; with or without India?"... i doubt u r a pakistani here............
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by Rakesh Koparde on Apr 12, 2007 05:27 PM Permalink
samir, pls check what attitude you are having. See, its very easy to pinpoint others. I agree, pune people that too cerain area is rude, But that doesn't mean every maharashtrian is same. Jai maharashtra has a lot of meaning.. when other say Jai karnataka, you won't mind.. right? For everybody,his own culture/mothertounge is very important (inspite of being an Indian).thats the reality. The guys like who don't have pride/importance of it..what they will understand?
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by Gautam Sinha on Apr 12, 2007 05:44 PM Permalink
Samir Tare sounds like a Maharashtrian name. In any case one constituency is not the be all and end all at Indian constituency (the article is on that topic) Regarding Maharashtra and Marathi and Maharashtrians, every state has its own plus and minus and every state has contributions of people of other states and every states have local people who are proud of local culture and there is nothing wrong with that. Acts or uttering of certain xenophobic characters are not indicative of the whole state.
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by sameer tare on Apr 12, 2007 05:35 PM Permalink
Rakesh bhai
My mother tounge is Marathi and i dont like saying Jai MP or Jai Karnataka or Jai watever state. Thats a regionalism. Culture ? Indian culture is one, what do u say of diff culture ? Pune peth ppl r notorious and that doesnt mean every maharashtrian is bad. if u jump to this conclusion then its ur opinion, not mine.i dint say this. my problem is with the mentality f putting city over state and state over country. Wot wud get by sayin "Jai Maharashtra" Nothing, its just a political stunt used by S politicians n guys like u get in awe f it.....And why does only ppl in Maharashtra have problem with other states ? Why dont u find this in North in Delhi or MP? Problem is with maharashtra state mentality, they r narrow minded n they pull their own brother s legs.......Now if u disagree with this then i doubt u!!!!!!!
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by ajey jhankar on Apr 12, 2007 09:15 PM Permalink
Pune peth people are natorious? What humbug! You mean to say Lokmanya Tilak, Agarkar, Chilunkar, Chaphekar bandhu are all natorious. Poor fellow. Doesn't understand what he is saying. Ignore his 'adanipana'. AJ
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by Rakesh Koparde on Apr 12, 2007 05:48 PM Permalink
For your kind information, I have been in Delhi, and saw how rude,dramatic punjabis/North Indians are. and also how they feel themselves as superiors. Do u know, who started word"Ghati"? Pls note only maharashtrains are not the people who are having problems with others. whenever people feel, their own identity is in crisis, they resist. Thats why tamil resist hindi. assmeses resist biharis. there are lot if examples Anyway I can understand your anger over Shivsena..but that doesn't mean you should criticise your own people..thats a biggest pity.
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by sameer tare on Apr 12, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
One region is bad, so we shud be bad too. Wow wot a logic. If by ur reasoning we go na, then we d have a civil war. And if Shivsena and MNS have their way (thanks to BJP they dont) then Maharashtra wud be more backward than Bihar n Orrisa cos all "outsiders" and those who r not "son of soil" wud be thrown out. Assamese dont resist Biharis, its ULFA who does that. Tamil resist Hindi cos politicians guide them to do so. Ur reasoning for this Maharashtrian attitude is ridiculous and pathetic. Thank god u r not a manager in a company, else u d come with directive "only ppl from x or y region of Maharashtra to be employed" ....No wonder within Maharashtra there r sounds for Vidarbha with some old Congress leaders (Sathe n some Patil Watil WedePatil) supporting the cause. And some day u d have a city declaring itself a separate state as this govt is trying to grab Belgaum from Karnataka ? Why cos Belgaum has more Marathi speaking ppl. Ridiculous. Mumbai has more Gujrati speakin ppl, so wud Gujrat come n say give Mumbai to us ? Or for tht case my native town has 24% Marathis , so Maharashtra political leaders wud ask for its inclusion in Maharashtra ?
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by Vaibhav Pradhan on Apr 12, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Sameer,
You lack basic knowledge of history. So, before posting here you need to take some lessons from history.
Linguistic states were legally created back in 1960. Back then Marathi people were in majority in Mumbai and Belgaon and rest of the current days Maharashtra. Maharashtrians didn't tell central government to create linguistic states. They created it for some reasons and they should have done it properly and honestly.
As far use of Marahti in Maharashtra is concerned, it is common sense that administration should be run in the language that is understandable by local population. Don't you think it's a big joke to conduct court proceedings in English when most of the defendents or witnesses can't understand whats going in the court? How do you plan to deliver justice to local population?
Last but not the least. Most of the prominent Marathi writers including P.L. Deshpande, S.N. Pendse, Wishwas Patil etc etc have time and again said that Marathi should be used in Maharashtra. I can't say that you are more knowledgeble than those legends. Even Arun Sadhu who is president of Marathi Sahitya Sammelan is saying that we need to use more Marathi in day to day life. Are you saying all of these great writes are dumb people.
Please go back to study room and read some history and then come and post here.
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by sameer tare on Apr 12, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
True , administration should be run in the language that is understandable by local population.
But why target other ppl who come here with their expertise n finally help the govt to increase revenues by export - import (COntext : IT Industry in Mumbai and Pune , with Nagpur growing)?
Recently SS organized a demo in Mumbai across all branches of Big bazar asking for 70-80% jobs for local youths. Wrong.
Then Mr uddhav thackeray asks for 80% reperesentation for local youth in IT cos and BPOs in Mumbai (i think pune too, not sure).
Again a wrong precedent. THink if same directive comes in Bangalore -- IT hub of india or Hyderabad, then wud other state ppl be able to work for the companies there. And if u r forced to go to ur home town where u dont find jobs as per ur education degree, then u can imagine how the career wud be shaping up (Can a IT pro or engineer work in a govt job ? Not many can do this). In short your education, your qualification, your experince drained in thanks to aimless politicians....
Do u support this. I guess from ur background and knowledge of Marathi literature, you dont. I hope i am able to convey my point. And as far as GK is concerned or history is concerned, let me tell u that i m quite upto the mark and more aware of your state s politics than you or any other native person.
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by Vaibhav Pradhan on Apr 12, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
Sameer,
I have started to think that you are honest person but you are missing the whole point. When Sena asks for 80% jobs for local people they don't talk about high skilled jobs (though they don't say this explicitly). Their concern is not for skilled Marathi people who can find jobs anyways. But what about unskilled Maharashtrians, especially those who have lost jobs because of closed mills in Mumbai?
People from UP/Bihar are migrating to Mumbai (or Delhi and Punjab) because their states are in REAL bad shapes. Unskilled people there are not finding jobs at all so they go to Mumbai/Delhi and live on sidewalks or other public places. If these guys are taking jobs at malls and other places then are you saying that local Marahti people should migrate to some other states inspite of Maharashtr's good efforts in creating jobs here? Why can't these UP/Bihar people take their politicians to task and demand more development there?
I'm not against non Marathi people. But, I do have ligitimate concerns about Marathi people.
If you are more aware of history of my state then please let me know who was the longest serving Chief minister of Maharashtra and what region he came from? I'm not testing you here but if you know answer to this question then you will understand the issue you raised about demand for separate Vidarbha!
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by Rakesh Koparde on Apr 12, 2007 06:36 PM Permalink
regardding your last stament.. you seems to be over confident..but with your privous posts, it seems that infact you are below the average. What SS did in bigbazar..that may be a political stunt..but your frightening over IT jobs is totally uncalled. Mostly issues are at local level..but they are blown in such a way that people like you get overcautious. That why I said, it happen everywhere, the question is whether you see it/sense it
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by Rakesh Koparde on Apr 12, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
sameer, now you are comin on personal level..But i won't. First of all,i agree every community has some plus points and minus points. Marath's are leg pulling..agree. but whether other guys are so crystal clear in nature. For your kind information,tamils resist hindi not because of politicians..nut bcause they feel threat to their own language. I have seen in pune, how south indians tell that they don't understand hindi and they don't want to. regarding vidarbha..yes agree..unforutuantely it was not developed. but demand of separation is not beacuse of language/people but it is because of development issues. take examplae of AP..there is demand for telgana. So whatever you are pointing, thats everywhere in India. but you don't undestand it. Probaly you need to work on GK,read some national newpapers..rather than reading mid-day..take it in true spirit:)
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by Vaibhav Pradhan on Apr 12, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
Sameer,
I forgot to comment on your Vidarbha related posts. It seems you not only lack basic knowledge of History but you lack basic understanding of socio-political affairs. Please remember that all those Vidarbha leaders started asking for separate states ONLY when they lost their political importance. Why did Vasant Sahte didn't ask for separate state when he was Union Minister for so many years. Same with Ranajit Deshmukh and others. But if you have some understanding of electoral processes, you can see that Ranajit Deshmukh just lost the Loksabha election and he is on third place. So, this is how much people support his "cause" of separate Vidarbha state. Mind you, people are no more fools. Didn't you see Shivsena won recent Mumbai corporation elections? They won because Maharashtrians there have realized that they are not getting justice and thats why they look upto Sena. It is another matter if Sena will deliver on this!
If you try to replicate Mumbai situation in rest of the Maharashtra then I can assure you that not only Mumbai but Maharashtra will be Sena stronghold!
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by sameer tare on Apr 12, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
The day when Shiv Sena gets entire Maharashtra state in its power, this state would loose its status as developed state in India and all we would see is the rule of muscle power. Mumbai win for SS is a fluke and it shud be understood tht they have won in a coalition with national party called BJP. And without the support of BJP, SS is as good as Bahujan Samaj Party or any other 3rd grade political outfit. Rather than concentrating on throwing non Maharashtrians out of the state or pitching for separate Vidarbha, or Belgaum issue, let the politicians of this state incl Shiv Sena indulge in improving situation of poor Vidharbha farmers who have to commit suicides due to govt apathy. Let me tell you, Mumbai is not India. There is more to India than just Mumbai and currently Mumbai represents the secular nature of India and if likes of Shiv Sena hold their ways, then i guess we wud see more of violence n riots in this city n state....
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by Vaibhav Pradhan on Apr 12, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
So, third time victory is a fluke??? lol
Again Sameer, you are wrong when you said that "Shiv Sena gets entire Maharashtra state in its power, this state would loose its status as developed state in India". This shows your poor knowledge about Maharashtra's History.
Who constructed India's first state of the art express way between Mumbai and Pune - Sena/BJP government under Sena's leadership. This was one of Bal Thackeray's dream projects. He had proposed this project back in 1990.
Who constructed 75 over bridges in Mumbai to ease traffic congestion and which government did most of Nagpur roads - Sena/BJP govt
Under which government malnutritions in Melghat/Chandrapur belt were almost none - Sena government.
Who pushed for Marathi use in courts and recently approved by High court of Maharashtra - Sena Govt
So, you see, Shivsena is not BSP like party. But you know what? Your opinion tells me that you read only English newspaper (that too probably Times Of India). They don't tell you the news, they tell you their opinion.
And for your information, In Maharashtra, BJP is there because they are with Shivsena. And they know it better otherwise why do you think national party like BJP listens to regional party like Sena all the time? This again shows your lack of knowledge about socio-political affairs of Maharashtra!
As far Belgaum issue is concerned, your comments are childish. Again, do you think all those legendery writers are dumb?
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by sameer tare on Apr 12, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
Legendary writers r entitled to their opinions. Ppl may follow or not, thats their wish. I suppose Vaibhav, you take me as anti SS, thats half baked. I dont like SS vandalism theory, the muscle power they use. the destruction they do to make their point noted, the moral policing they do on V-day etc, Agree SS has done lots in this state, but it all goes in drain when u get involved in Vandalism and that makes u no diff from likes of Communists or SP or Lalus. Thackeray is a learned person, but his use of muscle power and threatenings is utterly wrong.
BJP - SS are in an alliance where man in LA SS fight more seats than BJP and in LS elections BJP fights more seats and thats understandable. I dont conflict or deny the good works of BJP-SS govt (i m no one to do this), but still if SS gives away its vandalisms, then they would be reincarnated and they would get back the rule which they lost to a old tired useless party 8 years back....
And i hope u know Maha s problems -- electricity (Amravati,Mumbai), farmer suicides, lack of development and infrastructure. Take a classic example of Pune -- the city has grown so much in last decade with almost top automobile and IT industries in Pune (I hope u agree with me on presence of IT and auto industry in Pune, else u d say i hv less knowledge of geo - social - wtever aspects), but there has been no plan for the development of infrastructure, roads and civic amenties. Result we see traffic jams, accidents and lot of complaints about the city. A single flyover takes 3 years to complete...Thats pathetic. And i m damn sure that had BJP rule continued in this state post 1999 then Pune or Maharashtra wud hv been in better state than now. (I guess SS changed 2 CMs in 95-99 rule)!!!
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by Vaibhav Pradhan on Apr 12, 2007 07:53 PM Permalink
Sameer,
I don't think you as anti Sena. Even I'm not pro Sena. I'm anti-hypocracy. I like Bal Thackeray with all of his short comings because he doesn't hesitate to say what he thinks. He may be the only non politician in politics. That doesn't mean that I agree with everything that he says!
I totally agree with you when you say that Shivsena should not indulge in acts of vandalism. No doubt about this. But then Sena is a reaction to injustice done to Marathi people in Maharashtra (especially Mumbai). Do you know what happened in 70's and why Sena was formed in the first place? Do you know what happened to Bank of Baroda? Once Bank of Baroda had real cosmo board of directors. They appointed CEO from southern state (dont want to name the state but its obvious) and then within couple years 8 out of 10 directors were from that state! Was that coincidence? NO. It was being done systematically. Same thing was happening ALL over the place in Mumbai. This is a fact otherwise why would Sena get so much support in 70's?
So, being a reactionary organization they do what they do. At the same time, they need to change with time and need to be more democratic.
As far BJP rule is concerned, I don't think BJP will ever be able to get power on their own in Maharashtra. They need Sena.
As far Pune's infrastructure is concerned, you are absolutely right. NO city can take unlimited burden of population. There is practical limit on everything. If thousands of people from north are thronging to city footpaths daily then no amount of infracture will be adequate! These migrants need to know that they have a RIGHT to have their respective cities like Mumbai/Pune!
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by Rakesh Koparde on Apr 12, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
Now i m feeling...you are a strong supporter of narayan rane.. got irritated with defeat. Although I am not a supporter of Sena,i feel only ONly SS is not responsible for current problems. every political party in maharashtra is responsible,
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by sameer tare on Apr 12, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Congress has destroyed almost every state it has ruled in and Maharashtra is not an exception. Rather than concentrating on appeasement (Tushtikaran in Hindi) it shud try to catch culprits of 2006 blasts and punish 1993 blasts culprits incl DOn.
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by sameer tare on Apr 12, 2007 07:01 PM Permalink
i m not a supporter of Rane or any other loser of Congress or Shiv Sena....I have been a supporter of BJP which has little say in this state, but a huge say in my native state and the reason why i support is not for its Hinduism agenda, but for its vision and development that it did in those 6 yrs of rule in Center and the 5 yrs in my native state....Hope that helps
I can tell you that you are from Gujrat. I love that state and lot of my frieds are Gujaratis. We discuss this all the time. Please ask any Ahamadabadi if he will feel good if they stop using Gujarati. You will get your answers.
We NEED to preserve ALL the Indian languages. This is our national treasure. This can be done only if every state preserves its own language.
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by Vaibhav Pradhan on Apr 12, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
In this case its even more easy. Ask your native friends if they will feel better if people stop speaking Hindi and instead use Marathi!!!
