Hindus claim they are secular broad minded etc.Then why Hindus kill untouchables,demolish their houses,practice untouchability even in this 21st century?If equality is there nobody will convert.If all can live with dignity nobody will thing of any other religion.Why Brahmins monopolize Archanam in temples even now? Why Hindus do not give human rights to OBCs and Dalits? How Pak & B`desh was created?All of them were former Hindus.Because of untouchability and Manuvad they were disgusted and got converted. Savarna Fascism spread rumours create problem in society so that they can devide people especially between Muslims and OBCs and continue their clout and monopoly by clinking on to power.
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by G S on Apr 11, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
You are not a Hindu and you have no rights to comment on our religion as you do not understand it. Twisted understanding is bad.
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by ratnakar on Apr 11, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
Mr. Chitharanjan Rao, first you must know the human history. If you take MUSLIM he had SHIYA and SUNNIES, in CHRISTIAN there is CATHOLIC and PROTESTANTS, in BHUDHISM some SECTS nearly 9 popular branches there, if you take this even a child can says that in any religion there is PROBLEM in their RELIGION just like we had OBCs and DALITS in HIDUISM. In other religions they live together even they killed their own religion persons, example: protestants X catholics, shiyas X sunnies. only problem is that our political thinking in INDIA is worst than any other country in the world. USA president can sworn in by PRAYING JESUS with the BISHOPS at the venue where he sworn in( you can check the clippings in media) where as in INDIA you cant imagine a PRIME MINISTER praying the HINDU GOD at his sworn in. so we must know the facts and errors, then you can know the problem is at POLITICS in india. kindly open your eyes fully and avoid all these child writings in future, try to help the society to abolish CASTISM and UNTOUCHABILITY by starting from your side, and encourage 3 persons to do the same, and to follow the chain by them. in 2 years we can get the result. ALL THE BEST MY DEAR INDIAN.
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by on Apr 11, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
How did 100% Hindus in J&K become only 5%. You are wrong about archana conducted by only brahmins. There are thousands of temples where archana is conducted by non-brahmins. Why do Sunnies dont treat Shias, ahmedias and other sects eaqually? Why were shias and kurds butcered in Iraq by so called Sunny Tiger Saddam Hussain? Why did Pakistan and Bangladesh separate? What happened to Muslim brotherhood? Which manuvad is forcing Shias in Baharain to convert to Sunny Islam? It is Islamic Fascism that is creating nuisance to the world. The sooner it disappears, the better for the world peace.
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by Mukesh Garg on Apr 11, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Mr Rao, I agree that there is caste-evil in our hindu society, and we are determined to remove it. But here is the truth, there is a huge difference between Hindu and Muslim thinking ... We Hindus never attack and ancroach some one else's land, we do not kill others and make their women and children our slaves, we do not enforce our relegion on others, we believe in non-violence and not killings, we do not allow anyone to keep more than one wives and try to provide status of equality to women.
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by ahamed naveeth on Apr 11, 2007 10:08 PM Permalink
no islam did not spread by sword, check the current statistics, islam is the fastest growing religion is USA, is it spreading by use of sword?
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by Rahul Verma on Apr 11, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
Dear Goel, you are for sure a kniccker wala! Again it shows how sickening your type of minds are. They cant even imagine that a much much better religious Hindu than themselves can be perfectly secular in thought. For such fascists it is really beyond comprehension
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 11, 2007 06:16 PM Permalink
Chitharanjan Rao, you divide Hindus by calling some as Hindu and rest as OBC, Dalit. These are the tricks employed by missionary people who convert through such misleading propaganda. Tell you are a christian man and i will rip apart your identity like anything. You guys are turning more fanatic these days through support from evangelical authorities of foreign origin and you hate everything about India.
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by Kaushik Das on Apr 11, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
Casteism has always been a problem and educated hindus accept it (unlike even the educated ones in other religions). However, untouchability was banned many decades ago and is not in vogue in educated circles, even in villages. . And hindus NEVER KILLED untouchables - if they could not be touched, how could they be killed yaar? . Conversions happened mostly due to force as there are still a majority of lower caste people in India who are hindus - more than the number of muslims in india. . Brahmins' monopoly in temples has ended thanks to the SC ruling and have you noted that brahmins in India and abroad DID NOT riot in protest against the ruling??? :-)) . Human rights for dalits - in some cases, this allegation is true but human rights to OBCs? You don't seem to be living in India. You must know that OBCs are some of the worst abusers of law and human rights - they are foremost, and not the brahmins and OFCs, in treating dalits badly. . Pak and Bang were created by the sword of islam and not because of manuwaad (which you haven't read, I'm sure). How come all your converted muslims have names of khan and syed and mirza and shiekh if they were ex-untouchables? . Brahmins never really held power - they are some of the most powerless in India while OBCs are the most powerful - you'd know this if you were in India. OBCs are also those who rioted with muslims the most - because, for instance, muslims have beef while yadavs kept the cattle - clash of interest, you see. . There is no savarna fascism that i have ever witnessed. Only communist media uses such jargon to describe the awareness that hindus are getting of late - as if it is a bad thing.
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by Sundara Vardhan on Apr 11, 2007 07:51 PM Permalink
First we need to clear doubts and look at whole thing: 1. About casteism : There are four varnas in Sanathana Dharma(Hinduism). They are based NOT ON BIRTH but by vocation. As per our Vedas, ALL are born Shudras - means that all will do physical labour by default. Now as one grows and chooses a line of vocation, they change from being a Shudhra to Brahmin (teacher/priest), Kshatriya (warrior/defence), Vysya (business) or remain Shudhra (others - which is what most of us are). If you want to become a brahmin, then become one but you should adhere to that job's requirements like wise for defence etc. 2. Conversion to Islam: This was NOT done by ones own accord. This was done by extreme coercion centuries back by muslim invaders like it was done by Portugese to Hindus to convert them to Christianity. Those were the worst crimes ever. Frankly, there is no relgion in the world which is as flexible as Sanathana Dharma. 3. Untouchabiliy etc: These were new things invented by the so-called rulers of India - The muslim invaders and British- so that they can exploit the caste system by dividing the society. Which they succeeded. Couple of generations later, we believe that this is what the Vedas told us. All this is utter nonsense. We do not have upanishads have lots of stories of untouchability,but on the contrary, it has stories about how a Kshatriya became a brahmin(Vishwamitra), How a robber became a great rishi (Valmiki), How a son born of a fisher woman became the greatest poet ever(Ved Vyasa) and more. If these are not stories telling us how to live then what is. What we have today is a contrued and twisted view as has been fed to us by the British and Muslim rulers. 4. Formation of Pak and B'desh: This has nothing to do with religion, but religion card was played by the British to try and take control of oil wells in the Middle East. Yes this is what happened and you should read the book about the the Great Game in which it has been nicely chronicled how the British wanted to stop the then Russian Empire from having their hands in Middle-East and wanted to form a buffer zone. Hindus DID not want to divide the country, but the Muslims willingly did so. Sir, as per you, it seems that the muslims in Pak and B'desh are more happier that the muslims here. Nowhere in the world, including the US, do the muslims enjoy their rights as they do in Bharat. So with half-baked knowledge, Please Sir, do not accuse the religion.
