Hinduism never tries to uproot another religion. The most radical Hindu won't think of converting another just because he/she is not a Hindu. In stark contrast with the two major Abrahamic religions, Hinduism does not have the concept of forced or monetarily induced conversions. Having said that, Hinduism could be made much more rational by getting rid of the caste system. This is one renaissance that should have happened at least five centuries back.
BJP's CD is a portrayal of the ghastly truth that is being played out everyday. Everyday the Hindus are being pushed more and more towards becoming minorities in their home land and the government does not spare any effort towards keeping the Hindus divided. The result is that anti Hindu forces rule the roost and the mostly anti Hindu media can get away with its partisan act. If yo do not believe me, look no further than Pakistan and Bangladesh to understand what would happen if Hindus were to lose their majority in India. Pick up a copy of Lajja and start reading. Read up the history of Goa and the Americas to get a glimpse of the barbaric acts of the missionaries. The American president Jefferson accurately described the state of affairs when he said "The Christian God is cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust". Religion is what we practice. I am a proud Hindu and believe in the chant "Sarbe Bhabantu Sukhinah", but the same can't be said of the missionaries. For them, it is convert thy neighbour and only then love him. I would like to add that I consider Jesus Christ to be a saviour of humanity just like Buddha was. But as I have said earlier, religion is what we practice and in that respect my Hinduism sans its casteism is much more modern than a missionary's Christianity.
Religions are meant to be empowering tools, not means to end ourselves, but unfortunately some of us are stuck with medieval mindsets. If the media is indeed so concerned about BJP's CD, it will have to start the cleansing with itself. Right now their act is more akin to a sewer trying to clean a polluted river.
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by Soumodeep Biswas on Apr 11, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
If Hinduism is so modern why is it trying to put down other religion. Islam has some bad points but doesn't mean we have to bad mouth them. THey are Indians too and communal harmony is must for the country to progress.
So instead of thinking about religions we should think about our country India and not any religion. Its because of people like you that we are not progressing. Stop thinking about religion. India is secular and any religion is Indian. By doing this you are showing how intolerant Hinduism is.
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by Deepak Mohanty on Apr 11, 2007 05:21 PM Permalink
My friend, GDP growth and a billion head count does not a country make. Peaceful and harmonious coexistence leading to an equitable society where you love everybody else as your brother/sister does. Religions could help in all these noble goals and the optimist in me tells that every religion with some ideological cleansing could help do that. I am just pointing to sorry state of affairs and the hypocrites who have no real intention of discussing the fault lines that threaten our very existence as a nation and as a race. Rather they would bring out a CD that plays into the hands of their masters in Delhi.
And my Muslim/Christian friend, stop using a pseudonym in the future.
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by Deepak Mohanty on Apr 11, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
Rediff does not stack a thread properly. My second comment in this thread was in response to Mr. (supposedly) Biswas's post.
RE:Bunch of anti Hindu bigots
by Kaushik Das on Apr 11, 2007 05:21 PM Permalink
biswas, If we had to put down other religions, couldn't we have started with the minuscule parsis? Yet, they are the most successful and prosperous community, and well-respected, too. Ever gave a thought why? . However, let's take an opposing point - WHAT DO YOU DO if someone is trying to put down YOUR religion because you apparently worship idols??? Is that a reason to kill YOUR people? No, right? There you are, you got your answer. . Communal harmony already exists in this country except in muslim majority areas. Do YOU, o champion of communal harmony, have the guts to walk through a strictly muslim majority alleyway? Now compare that with how easily you or anybody from any religion can walk through a deeply hindu alleyway. THAT is the answer, my ignorant friend. . Actually, it is thinking about the country itself that has led to thinking about religions. Our religion is automatically inclined to the country and its service. WE don't oppose the singing of Wande Maataram. . Yes, India is secular because WE hindus believe in secularism. But what do you do if this very concept of secularism / hinduism is attacked by people who are misusing the concept by turning it into islamism? . Actually, it is because of ignorant people like you, biswas, that we are not progressing. Our retrogade steps are not documentable because they hurt a particular community. . I have seen hindus growing up thinking that all religions are Indian and everyone is equal - however, reality has changed our minds. . Please go through faithfreedom.org to educate yourself. As far as reality in India is concerned, you'll need to keep your eyes and ears open. Why is it that a truth-telling CD is being called hateful by you while you close your eyes to the goings-on elsewhere???
RE:Bunch of anti Hindu bigots
by vipankumar dogra on Apr 11, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
BEFORE partition even jinnah was also indian,and secular like u could not stop him to divide india.muslims migrating to pakistan were not came from moon but those who disliked india when living in india,so dont forget these truths also.if u say that they were discriminated by upper casts,then ask them are they more happy now than before?what is happening in afghanistan pak bangladesh? at present they are in worst condition than lower casts in india.why no peace in muslim countries when all of them practice equality.is it that anyone can kill anyone is the meaning of equality?why bangladeshi comming to india why they are poor?there are no upper casts who discriminate against them?ANY ANSWER?
RE:Bunch of anti Hindu bigots
by Pure Hindustani on Apr 11, 2007 09:07 PM Permalink
Biswasghat: You commies are curse on this country. You guys are 'NAMAK HARAM'. Why you guys don't go to china and leave us alone. CPI(M)= Chinese Puppets in India (mather-hod)
RE:Bunch of anti Hindu bigots
by Chitharanjan Rao on Apr 11, 2007 05:36 PM Permalink
Then why Hindus kill untouchables,demolish their houses,practice untouchability even in this 21st century?If equality is there nobody will convert.If all can live with dignity nobody will thing of any other religion.Why Brahmins monopolize Archanam in temples even now? Why Hindus do not give human rights to OBCs and Dalits? How Pak & B`desh was created?All of them were former Hindus.Because of untouchability and Manuvad they were disgusted and got converted.
RE:Bunch of anti Hindu bigots
by LAGIDU on Apr 11, 2007 08:33 PM Permalink
Dear C Rao, Brahmins are temple poojaris as long as devotees irrespective of caste want them to be. I hear that in TN the govt has started some poojari course and above 80% of trainees are dalits and backwards. if we visit Madurai and Rameswaram in about a year's time, we may be able to receive Prasad from the hands of dalit poojaris. that automatically solves the problem. Other states should follow suit.
RE:Bunch of anti Hindu bigots
by abhinav goel on Apr 11, 2007 05:51 PM Permalink
Dear Rao.....u r for sure a muslim with a rediff name of rao.The whole world knows the history of how islam spread. It was by the force of sword dangling over their neck. It was a choice betwen islam or death. Noone converted due to their own wish.
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by Mir Alam on Apr 11, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
Hi,abhinav goel, If Islam spread by sword then 1) why Islam is the fastest growing religion in USA & Europe, 2) Who stops these sub-continent people current muslims numbering 50 Crores (India, Pakistan, Bdesh)to reconvert to yr religion. Come on u, we are all same by blood, color, race only diff. "We pray the Creator but u pray his Creations". Ponder over it.
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by Kaushik Das on Apr 11, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
1. Why fastest growing is because in the poor world, the poor and discriminated, who don't need religion, are promised equality in islam - the males in the male dominated societies are also promised multiple wives and children. How many rich and able people convert to islam? 2. Why cannot they convert back to otehr religions? Because the punishment for doing that from islam is DEATH. Do read faithfreedom.org and apostatesofislam.com
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by LAGIDU on Apr 11, 2007 08:38 PM Permalink
Mubeen bhai, it is Advaita philosophy. U need to take million more births to understand it. It is good that for the present you follow the basic islam. There is time for you to grow. there is 55000 more years before Kaliyug will end.
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by Kaushik Das on Apr 11, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
Mubeen, the creator, by your own definition, has to be supernatural and more, much more powerful than you can imagine. Ok, so, tell me, why have you restricted your creator to beyond His creation??? . If the creator is so powerful, it should be HIS choice, NOT YOURS, to be a part of (or even the whole of) His CREATION. . Now, tell me what is wrong with worshipping the creation along with the creator? . The creation is also the easier way of connecting with a creator we haven't seen. The creation is His manifestation. Why NOT worship it?
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by Deepak Mohanty on Apr 11, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
Profound comment. Good to have some people who can engage in an enlightened discussion.
RE:Bunch of anti Hindu bigots
by Omar Shariff on Apr 11, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
mr abinev u answer question of chitranjan .why u guy practise untachablity & monopolise archanam & not give right to obc & dalit .u answer that qustion 1st.
RE:Bunch of anti Hindu bigots
by Kumar Bhargava on Apr 11, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
Mr. Mohanty, any sane Hindu cannot diagree with you. I would also like to add, that to bring forth the unity among Hindus, eminent people among Hindus, religious Heads of Mutts like Shankaracharyas should propagate relentlessly against casteism and bring all of them together. Funds must be created from communities to help the downtrodden (if more need to be given to the low castes, please give all the help to them. I am a Brahmin and I assure you Brahmins will not feel offended, when other communities come up). In ten years, we can make Congress Party - 'history'.
