There are many so-called intellectual persons (however, everybody thinks that he/she is intelligent), who does not understand or see the situation from its base or interior; or there are some clever persons who intentionally distort the facts in order to confuse the people with some motive. It is worthy to mention that the leftist minded people including George Bernard Shaw and J.B.S. Haldane cautioned the people about the harmful rise of fascism by Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. During that time, Hitler was an ideal for many leaders of the so-called democratic and liberal parties of various countries including in Indian politics. Moreover, it was the Soviet Union who played a leading role to defeat Hitler. Intererstingly, the leaders responsible for the incidence of Tiananmen Square are the founder of the trend of capitalism in China. There is a basic need before correlating communism and fascism; whether CPI(M) is actually a communist party or not? Nowadays, CPI(M) has a good friendship with Congress and the top Congress leaders are helping CPI(M) in various ways [is Congress a communist party?]. For whom CPI(M) has done the Nandigram Massacre? It has been for Salim Group who was involved in killing of the members of the Communist Party of Indonesia. Tata group is a close friend of CPI(M) and involved in Singur problem [are Tatas communist?]. It was a report in the newspaper that in the last Diwali festival, different business organizations sent valuable gifts to Prakash Karat (General Secretary of CPM) and Sitaram Yechury (another important member of CPM) [are these business groups communist?]. There are several identical examples. The basic question is, whether CPI(M) is a communist party in reality? So, why this discussion - Nandigram: Communism as fascism by involving (or confusing) different incidences of the world; where is the basis? Rather, any analytical person will see that capitalism (not communism) with socialism-mask is always involved with fascism. Human history also tells the same thing; Hitler first appeared with an apparent socialist dress.
Amitabh's view is so euro-centric. As if India or Asian experience doesn't exist, though we are 1 Billion People and till 150 years back, India's contribution to world GDP was some 25%.
While Hitler became villain (rightly), why we are not talking about Stalin (whom CPIM worship till today) and Mao? Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler.
Didn't Stalin make deal with Hitler? Did CPI oppose Hitler before he attacked USSR?
It doesn't matter whether CPIM is a communist party or not. If you compare it with (say) Stalinist USSR, its a rightwing party. But when compared with BJP, its a Communist Party. At least they have retained the Marxist tag in their name.
What Halden, GB Shaw wrote/said makes little sense. Those days of colonial history is over.
How much Marx knew about India, China and rest of Asia whose contribution to world GDP at that time was more than 70%? Practically nothing.
Marx went to british library, read few papers prepared by British high official, and he had the audacity to claim that his theory is universally acceptable!
RE:Why trying to mislead us?
by Amit on Apr 04, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
The SEZ is basically a plan of BJP, which has been adopted by Congress and CPI(M). For Singur and Nandigram, many leftist organizations and leftist minded people are working and they have a great role to build the present movement. They are fighting against CPI(M) with all odds. Even Medha Patkar and several other eminent persons are highly related with these leftist organizations. They have an excellent role to develop this movement to its present state. Those leftist organizations and persons who are building the present movement by tolerating all the tortures from CPI(M) %u2013 who they are and why they are practicing Marxism? What is the role of Congress and BJP (the parties well-known for their service to the capitalism) in this movement? Where was BJP in the development of Singur movement? Finally, BJP has appeared to gain something towards vote-politics after seeing the mighty movement of the people. SEZ is a plan of BJP and BJP is showing or acting against it; is it not interesting (or befooling the people for vote gain tactics)! Regarding capitalism, throughout the world particularly the western part of Asia nowadays see its nature. Also, the SEZ programme (for which Singur, Nandigram and other places are burning) is a plan of capitalism for their gain. I think, it would be better if we could talk with those persons who are directly involved by taking all the pains in the development of the present movement of West Bengal systematically to gain the victory; their experience and ideology definitely enlighten us.
RE:Why trying to mislead us?
by Mahesh Sampat on Apr 04, 2007 04:45 AM Permalink
People who have sponsered terrorism in gujarat have no right to point accusing finger at the communists in nandigram.
RE:Why trying to mislead us?
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 04, 2007 03:41 AM Permalink
Bongo babu - if you have finished giving your intellectual gyaaan and dropping names and historical references, please take a trip to the grassroot level in nandigram. See the conditions of living of the people who have lost their lives to save the little land that was in their names. See how their kids are barely surviving and how their widows look without the sindoor in their heads and red bangles broken. All this gyaan will go out of the window.Sitting in an ivory tower its fine to give historical references and examples, that won' in the near future repair the lives of anyone in Nandigram. And about such mistakes not being committed again by the politico - industry nexus if you and I give gyaaan here - well, its about time we stopped fooling ourselves sitting on the other side of the world.
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by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 04, 2007 03:44 AM Permalink
I meant see the condition of the families of the people who have lost their lives for their land.
RE:Why trying to mislead us?
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 04, 2007 04:11 AM Permalink
Read it completely Amit babu and told you my opinion on it . Are you telling me that I am not even titled to my 2 cent worth opinion ?
RE:Why trying to mislead us?
by Amitabha Ray on Apr 04, 2007 04:42 AM Permalink
Read first the article of Mr. Rajeev Srinivasan completely and tell him, rather telling me. My write-up is in response to Mr. Rajeev Srinivasan.
RE:Why trying to mislead us?
by Gautam Sinha on Apr 04, 2007 10:22 AM Permalink
Mr Amitava Roy, What do you mean to say? Are you trying to defend Communism here? Get the facts right - Philosophy aside the communists (or whoever claims to be so) have been almost like facists when it came to implementation. That is the basis of comparing both.
RE:Why trying to mislead us?
by KRISHNA PRASAD on Apr 04, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
Mr.Ray, the problem why people all over the country are distressed is about the double speak of the communists. If they do some thing in their ruled state it is right. If the same is done by another govt. it is wrong. This double speak or holier than thou attitude is only causing embarassment to them now
