I am from UP and I belong to the forward class and the things is, I plan to vote for BSP, all other parties are completely in support of large scale reservations in public and private institutions, as far as forward and backward are concerned, there is no forward and backward,everyone is equal, if history has been unjust to particular communities, it is for us the forward classes to educate those from so called backward classes and support them if and if reservation is removed, we should not hesitate to support SC/ST's/OBC's and minorities if the reservation policy is nullified, actually it had to end in the year 2000 as per constitution and that did not happen,thanks to Vajpayee who all of a sudden increased the time-frame when it was about to end. Every person from the forward community if he practices the caste system should end doing so and if reservations are removed it is upto us then to educate poor people and pool up our excess resources to make them stand equal to us so that some of the horrible mistakes of the past can go to the graveyard. But if reservation remains to hell with it!!!! Reservation is like poison dividing people on the basis of communities and at least 2-3% of the GDP should be invested in educating all individuals and private parties including affluent people should come out to support the poor. as far as what someone out here said 85% are OBC's and 20% Forward Classes and we will lose out because OBC's will see to it that we do, weel 85% and 20% makes 105% and there is no such thing as 105% , see this is what reservation gives you , no proper education and no equality, in fact you still have to pay the high fees once you enter a university through reservation. As far as one does not notice your arithmetics, the fact is why did Congress lose in Uttarakhand and Punjab? well because yours as well as the Congress's calculations were wrong based on 1931 census, VP singh from being a Prime Minister reached the zero level and has to start again fresh from western UP, that's what happen to those who bring about reservations. Perhaps if this continues we will all see new parties and all the current political parties will become defunct because of their policies. The fact is what the politicians are doing, they are trying to bring about a divide and rule policy similar to the ones you guys mention, the ones present in history, every forward class student in universities will now not support his fellow mates when he will know which community they belong to,the nation is being divided on basis of communities and creating suspicion amongst them when it is time to bring equality and end poverty in this country. Reservation in fact brings poverty, you will still have to pay the high fees once you get in through reservation into a prestigious university. Equality is the main thing not reservation,that's inequality.I have nothing against any community, I know no community asks for it, the politicians hurl it down their throats and if someone is getting reservation then it's the best thing, how can you refuse? if forward classes would have been given reservation they wouldn't have refused either, the politicians gave a gift and you got to accept, but reservation policy this way is flawed and creates hostilities amongst friends and countrymen. All people from affluent classes support those who are economically and socially backward and by doing so uplift them but if you support them, see to it that you give them equality and tell them not to go through reservation and see to it that they are meritorious enough that they don't need it and get through without it-create a connection rather than foster suspicion, let's not play in the hands of politicians.If more and more people come out and start helping others the politicians will turn out to be mere fools.
RE:Reservation Policy is flawed and fosters inequality
by Akash on Apr 02, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
The fact is BSP is trying to woo the upper castes right now and Mayawati can talk of reservations once or twice but not be so open about it, that will hurt her election results. She has also tried to bring people from the forward classes into the party to stand on behalf of BSP, she will never want her newly found vote bank to abandon her,if they do,she will land up in a mess. Right now it's best to vote for her but if she again starts her rhetoric against particular communities, we will try to find other options. Right now I believe she is the best bet, as far as manifestos are concerned, all manifestos contain a section about reservation,most of them are either followed or not followed, practicality lies in the fact that vote-bank politics is aimed at communities and then they try to increase their vote bank to reach the national level, if they do abandon a community we will have to look for other options. but forward classes should join one party as it's members and vote for that party irrespective of which state they are in, the thing is even Srinagar University students opposed reservation as well as people from Kohima, reservation is intended to cut the nation along a horizontal line not vertical one that happened in 1947- i.e. you are either a hindu,muslim,christian,sikh,buddhist SC/ST/OBC and get reservation on that basis or else if you are an upper caste or middle caste hindu or a person from another religion who before conversion belonged to upper caste and middle caste community, you are ignored, so it's for us to see which party we should choose not only vote for it but join it in large numbers to turn the picture and all General community students irrespective of which religion you belong to-UNITE! Once reservation policy is nullified , support and help those from the backward classes-fund for their education,support them economically with any excess resources that you have to bring real merit and treat them with equality because by the end of it no one is forward or backward, society turns things that way and ills of the past cannot be ended by dividing people but by uniting people, end this horizontal partition which is taking place right now, it's worse than vertical divide and rule policy
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by Akash on Apr 02, 2007 03:05 PM Permalink
And all OBC's and Brahmins on this message board should remember that Chadragupta Maurya belong to the OBC class and Kautilya famously know as Chanakya belonged to the Brahmin community, and we name them at equal breath, it was for Chanakya Arth Shastra that Chandragupta became emperor of India, it was for Chadragupta that Chanakya's words are still remembered. It is on this basis that all of us have to unite not any other way. Akbar and Birbal, one a muslim other a brahmin, you must have heard of that- there are several such examples. Kabir,Tulsidas were great sages . Arjun singh is a politician , only a politician who will be forgotten soon like V.P. Singh and this wouldn't even go down in history.
RE:Reservation Policy is flawed and fosters inequality
by Akash on Apr 02, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
The fact is BSP is trying to woo the upper castes right now and Mayawati can talk of reservations once or twice but not be so open about it, that will hurt her election results. She has also tried to bring people from the forward classes into the party to stand on behalf of BSP, she will never want her newly found vote bank to abandon her,if they do,she will land up in a mess. Right now it's best to vote for her but if she again starts her rhetoric against particular communities, we will try to find other options. Right now I believe she is the best bet, as far as manifestos are concerned, all manifestos contain a section about reservation,most of them are either followed or not followed, practicality lies in the fact that vote-bank politics is aimed at communities and then they try to increase their vote bank to reach the national level, if they do abandon a community we will have to look for other options. but forward classes should join one party as it's members and vote for that party irrespective of which state they are in, the thing is even Srinagar University students opposed reservation as well as people from Kohima, reservation is intended to cut the nation along a horizontal line not vertical one that happened in 1947- i.e. you are either a hindu,muslim,christian,sikh,buddhist SC/ST/OBC and get reservation on that basis or else if you are an upper caste or middle caste hindu or a person from another religion who before conversion belonged to upper caste and middle caste community, you are ignored, so it's for us to see which party we should choose not only vote for it but join it in large numbers to turn the picture and all General community students irrespective of which religion you belong to-UNITE! Once reservation policy is nullified , support and help those from the backward classes-fund for their education,support them economically with any excess resources that you have to bring real merit and treat them with equality because by the end of it no one is forward or backward, society turns things that way and ills of the past cannot be ended by dividing people but by uniting people, end this horizontal partition which is taking place right now, it's worse than vertical divide and rule policy
