No other way, guys. The educated, modern minded, urban people have to relinquish all benevolent thoughts which they had for people belonging to the socially oppressed strata. Your generousity has been taken as your weakness, and today ground under your own feet is giving way.
Screaming what is good and what is bad, what is immoral and what is moral will not help. Those days are over. Now is the time to reflect your anger in ballot boxes, because only that is capable of unnerving the political scoundrels.
Need to vote for parties that provides sops to forward castes, does not matter which party it is, be it BJP, Congress, BSP, SP. Start this practice, start it now, and let it be become a trend. Arjun Singh and his cohorts will fall in line automatically.
If intellectuals cries foul, let them bark; arm-chair experts are as inert as rocks, anyway.
RE:No other way
by Observer Observer on Apr 02, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
If Muslims with 15-18% population can dominate the electoral process, if Yadavs with similar proportion in UP can rule the state, then traditional forward castes also can. It's just a matter of cohesiveness and planning.
Education gives wide vision and knowledge to mankind, but on the other hand, it can also make a person more cunning if need arises. If the so-called 'down-trodden' think they are clever, then forward castes can be cleverer, since they are well-educated.
Muslims follow the directions of Imam, they don't question it, nor do they judge what is moral or immoral.
Forward castes need to save their skin, they need to ensure that they can live with dignity (whatever is left) in this country. To achieve that, if we need to forget our open-mindedness and secular feelings, the let it be.
RE:RE:No other way
by Girish Rao on Apr 02, 2007 02:06 PM Permalink
FW caste need to go and vote, if they dont they will be f***ed by OBC politicians who are worse than Dalit politicians
RE:No other way
by Roy on Apr 02, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
Dear Observer, Whom are you going to Vote? If you are angry with Congress u mean you will vote for BJP. But they too are in the same boat. OK suppose you are again unhappy with BJP, you will vote for BSP or SP or CPM. or any XYZ party. But see they too are over crowded in the same boat.
So where is your choice to use anger through ballot boxes.
Where is the right to reject all the candidates whom I dont like to vote for ?
RE:RE:No other way
by Observer Observer on Apr 02, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
For example, Mayawati is now wooing the forward castes in UP. All forward castes, vote in favour of her (the fact that she is also a scoundrel, does not matter) and stamp your weightage in the electoral process. Start this process collectively, you will see the other proponents of 'Social Justice' will automatically get the message.
And for heaven's sake, put aside all arguments for morality and humanity.
RE:No other way
by Roy on Apr 02, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
Dear Observer, You are Wrong. Nobody writing this message board will vote for BSP or any other above mentioned political parties. But the real fact is the people in UP who votes does not read the rediff message boards and there is plenty of innocent people who does not understand the political propotions. In the election day everybody lands up voting any political party who are good for nothing. Therefore there is no solution by voting any party. Please give me a right to reject any or all candidates whom I dont like to vote. Where is this provision just show me.
RE:No other way
by deepak deepak on Apr 02, 2007 01:39 PM Permalink
Good, You vote for the parties who provide sops to forward castes. That is the need of the hour. At the end of the day only 15-20% will vote for forward & 85% will vote for other than forward. GOOD....
RE:No other way
by Girish Rao on Apr 02, 2007 01:44 PM Permalink
dude ur arithmetic is so wrong and moreover OBCs themselves are divided into millions of caste he he
RE:No other way
by Akash on Apr 02, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
I am from UP Mr. Roy and I belong to the forward class and the things is, I plan to vote for BSP, all other parties are completely in support of large scale reservations in public and private institutions, as far as forward and backward are concerned, there is no forward and backward,everyone is equal, if history has been unjust to particular communities, it is for us the forward classes to educate those from so called backward classes and support them if and if reservation is removed, we should not hesitate to support SC/ST's/OBC's and minorities if the reservation policy is nullified, actually it had to end in the year 2000 as per constitution and that did not happen,thanks to Vajpayee who all of a sudden increased the time-frame when it was about to end. Every person from the forward community if he practices the caste system should end doing so and if reservations are removed it is upto us then to educate poor people and pool up our excess resources to make them stand equal to us so that some of the horrible mistakes of the past can go to the graveyard. But if reservation remains to hell with it!!!! Reservation is like poison dividing people on the basis of communities and at least 8% of the GDP should be invested in educating all individuals and private parties including affluent people should come out to support the poor. as far as what deepak deepak said 85% 20% makes 105% and there is no such thing as 105% , see this is what reservation gives you , no proper education and no equality, in fact you still have to pay the high fees once you enter a university through reservation. As far as one does not notice your arithmetics, the fact is why did Congress lose in Uttarakhand and Punjab? well because yours as well as the Congress's calculations were wrong based on 1931 census, VP singh from being a Prime Minister reached the zero level and has to start again fresh from western UP, that's what happen to those who bring about reservations. Perhaps if this continues we will all see new parties and all the current political parties will become defunct because of their policies. The fact is what the politicians are doing, they are trying to bring about a divide and rule policy similar to the ones you guys mention, the ones present in history, every forward class student in universities will now not support his fellow mates when he will know which community they belong to,the nation is being divided on basis of communities and creating suspicion amongst them when it is time to bring equality and end poverty in this country. Reservation in fact brings poverty, you will still have to pay the high fees once you get in through reservation into a prestigious university. Equality is the main thing not reservation,that's inequality.I have nothing against any community, I know no community asks for it, the politicians hurl it down their throats and if someone is getting reservation then it's the best thing, how can you refuse? if forward classes would have been given reservation they wouldn't have refused either, the politicians gave a gift and you got to accept, but reservation policy this way is flawed and creates hostilities amongst friends and countrymen. All people from affluent classes support those who are economically and socially backward and by doing so uplift them but if you support them, see to it that you give them equality and tell them not to go through reservation and see to it that they are meritorious enough that they don't need it and get through without it.If more and more people come out and start helping others the politicians will turn out to be mere fools.
RE:No other way
by Roy on Apr 02, 2007 02:28 PM Permalink
Dear Akash, Did your check the manifesto of BSP before voting the same party. We need a solution to this quota system. Are the BSP is going to abolish this reservations if yes then that is the solution to this issue. If they (BSP) too is giving a confusing signal by playing vote bank politics then BSP too will come in the same list of BJP,Congress,SP,CPM and other UPA and NDA partners.
RE:No other way
by Akash on Apr 02, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
Yes Mr. Roy that's what I am trying to say, the fact is BSP is trying to woo the upper castes right now and Mayawati can say that once or twice but not be so open about it, that will hurt her election results. She has also tried to bring people from the forward classes into the party to stand on behalf of BSP, she will never want her newly found vote bank to abandon her,he they do,she will land up in a mess. Right now it's best to vote for her but if she again starts her rhetoric, we will try to find other options. Right now I believe she is the best bet, as far as manifestos are concerned, all manifestos contain that thing you mentioned about,most of them are either followed or not followed, practicality lies in the fact that vote-bank politics is aimed at communities and then they try to increase their vote bank to reach the national level, if they do abandon a community we will have to look for other options. but forward classes should join one party as it's members and vote for that party irrespective of which state they are in, the thing is even Srinagar University sutdents opposed reservation and well as people from Kohima, reservation is intended to cut the nation along a horizontal line not vertical one that happened in 1947- i.e. you are either a hindu,muslim,christian,sikh,buddhist SC/ST/OBC and get reservation on that basis or else if you are an upper caste or middle caste hindu or a person from another religion who before conversion belonged to upper caste and middle caste community, you are ignored, so it's for us to see which party we should choose not only vote for it but join it in large numbers to turn the picture and all General community students irrespective of which religion you belong to-UNITE! Once reservation policy is nullified , support and help those from the backward classes and bring equality, end this horizontal partition which is taking place right now, it's worse than vertical divide and rule policy
