"..determines who will marry whom, who will eat with whom, who will touch whom, who will vote for whom and of late who will get into IIT!"
Well said.. so if you agree with these points in order then you shouldn't get frustrated by whats happening sir..
regarding all reserve category students unable to complete courses don't just quote the average of all of your 27 years experience... try to see how much they have improved! Gauge them on improvement scale.. take last 5 years of data and then look at your arguments... am an IITian with a high CGPA!!
- An Indian bogged down by Casteism in Childhood but still successful thanks to the affirmative actions of Government. Am totally committed to long-term sustainable development and success of the country.
PS: I was denied entering temple and access to water at public places (an incident I observed as late as in year 2001 in a town). It happnes with ~20% of population (given my caste is OBC in some states and SC in others, at a Hinduism scale of 1-10 I put it at ~2) The mental trauma a person goes through under such circumstances is totally incomparable with anything else including the 'economic backwardness' favoured by anti-quota ppl
RE:An honest response
by himanshu on Jun 13, 2006 07:18 PM Permalink
Kaushik,
I think, your response is quite uninformed because you have no idea what opression does to the mental state of a person. An opressed person looses all the confidence he has in his abilities. May be you should have born in a SC/ST/OBC family and seen the other side. I am sure you would have understood why a person with high GPA will still take reservation. I would like to ask you, what positive steps have you taken to make sure people who are down in the rut get the same kind of progressive enviornment that you may have got. I guess none... because your reactive views are quite visible from your message. So if you cant find a soln for a problem or even cant suggest one then let the people who are giving reservation as a solution handle it. If you think it is not right then stand up and suggest one soln instead of reacting the way you are doing.
RE:An honest response
by Raghu on Jun 09, 2006 07:49 PM Permalink
Well, thats interesting statistic ... 20% suffer because of castism . So what percentage accounts for total OBC and SC/ST . What are the rest 80% ? .. is it upper caste ? .. So someone does the discrimination and the rest of the indians suffer because of that ? . The whole issue is the reservation for the elite institutions ... anyways till then there is reservation .. Should the quality suffer ? .. You having studied in a IIT should know how would it be when the class strength is 3 times what it is now ... And this is all because of Govt for which u were proud of ..
RE:An honest response
by Himanshu on Jun 13, 2006 07:20 PM Permalink
Pravin,
A very honest message from you.. Thats certainly shows an initiative, a solution, which unfortunately very few people are doing on this forum. Lets remove the cast system and lets provide benefit to every one on the basis of the economic status. I strongly believe thats the way forward.
May be we should all make an online petition and ask for the end of cast system in india. What do you think?
RE:An honest response
by Raju on Jun 09, 2006 04:48 PM Permalink
So, do you really want to continue such caste differences? or want to revenge to someone for your unfortunate childhood? Then you wanted the same kind of situation to come back ( everything on caste basis)
RE:An honest response
by Kaushik Das on Jun 09, 2006 08:35 PM Permalink
Shame on you! If you are a high CGPA IITan, why did you take reservation? If oyu had the calibre, didn't you have the uts to compete? What about the person who could not get the seat because he was a so called upper caste? Did he not have the potential to be a high-CGPA IITan? Do you know if he was poor? Do you know if he had faced any discrimination because of poverty? You are just concerned about yourself and your entry into IIT. If you have so much calibre, you could have got into any other engg colleges like NITs or other good ones. You, a high CGPA IITan, should know that affirmative action is not the same as reservation.
RE:An honest response
by Pravin on Jun 10, 2006 02:05 PM Permalink
Dear friend, It is this bane of casteism which we have to fight against. Everyone is equal. Reservation only strengthens the caste brigade. There will continue to be caste based divisions and people will continue to be identified by the caste they were born into. We need to have forums like a Citizen's group against Casteism which could handle incidents like the temple episode in a legal manner. We need to shed false prejudices like Brahmin, Kshatriya or whatever and view every person as one and respect his right to live in the society. The concept of reservation sadly, works only the other way round.
