Dear All Why don't we all understand that this is just a political gain...we compell others to do what they don't want to do...then what will be the difference between us and the british govt... History is withness that muslims have died more then hindus in the fight for freedom . Muslims are like your assets its upto you how you want to see them...you want to see then in APJ ABDUL KALAM'S face or In Dawood Ibrahim face?
RE:Will a person be an indian if he sings 'Vande mataram'?
by andy on Aug 29, 2006 12:14 PM Permalink
Dear Please tell me why it pinches people of your community to do what other are doing. If you have a problem in praising our country then please find a country where you can praise your religion and not the country in which you live.By the way Our president sings Saraswati vandana and don not compare him with a criminal. this shows your mentality.
Who are You DECIDE NOW.
by maheshkulharia on Aug 29, 2006 09:11 AM Permalink
AND we are challanging Dawood to come out and show face rather than hiding like coward. How ever people like APJ KALAM are beyond comparison. They are great and we hold them in highest esteem. So you see we do not prejudge on the basis of religion and we look for the nature of a person before deciding. and Let me give you a note of caution DONOT TRY TO THREATEN US (INDIANS). because IF you want to live in INDIA as INDIAN be sensible or you may go to any ISLAMIC country of your choice. There is no room for traitors here. On the other hand if you have attachment with this LAND then you have equal duties, rights, previlages and we shall treat you as one of us (BROTHER). If it is so then I ask you to spread truth about NATIONALISM in your community. So that people like Bukhari could be ignored by illitrate masses and people like him lose ability to harm the INDIAN progress.
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by Anoop Viswanathan Na on Aug 29, 2006 11:20 AM Permalink
Ayaz, Nobody talked of Dawood here. YOu are the one who has borught it up for your own personal gains. When Indian students sing the UAE national Anthem or the respective gulf countries National Anthems, they learn to do it with a period of time with passion as that is where they are growing up. This is our own motherland, and if here you do not wat to sing the country's national song, I just dont understand why you are still here in India.. Dont count the numbers of deaths during the freedom struggle Ayaz..You might just have to learn both mathematics and hitory again to prove what you said. Nobody fought the struggle counting Ayaz. My good friends include a number of Muslims. We have never counted or created accounts between us.Why? Because we have never allowed ourselves to be lead either by the politicians or the religious heads. Education is not just about Degree certificates.It is about learning how to live a righeous life, and I dont think The Holy Quran teaches you otherwise. Think before you talk Ayaz. For your frivolity moght just anger someone else.
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by vinay on Aug 29, 2006 11:44 AM Permalink
Well Ayaz
U HAVE quite a sense of humour.ur claim that more muslims laid their life than hindus in utterly laughable.Majority of muslims wanted pakistan for themselves at that time.very few muslims participated in freedom struggle after 1857 and history is witness of that.Muslims are never an asset in a non muslim society they are a liability and danger to national security be it india,germany,UK,USA,Phillippines u name it
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by Aniruddha on Aug 29, 2006 08:54 AM Permalink
Vande Mataram is a sincere praise for Mother.Mothers are not religions,they are simply Mothers. So why object to Her Praise. We already have lot of unrest around us with Terrorism,Kashmir issues,North East issues and a song which majority(Not only Hindus,but Christians,Sikhs,Jains...) feels will diffuse all tensions and Muslims get a solid platform to prove their love for their nation.Why I am singling out Muslims is because " Not all Muslims are terrorists" but it has become "That all terrorists are Muslims". Liberal Muslims should openly support Vande Mataram and the Imams who has influence over the masses should talk of India first and then religion.It goes exactly reverse.Madarasas should have been for creating love for own religion but unfortunately its becoming a school where hatred for other religions is also taught. GOD Bless India because with caste politics we can never be a superpower nor take our rightful place that is the centrestage in global policies.
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by Md. Yazed Alam Khan on Aug 30, 2006 11:00 AM Permalink
Hey Mr. Ayaz, I don't see any offence on any muslim's part singing "Vande Mataram". It is great composition of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee and the splendour lies in it is inexplicable!! It is not alt all anti Islamic and doesn't offend Islam. It's my pleasure that, I proudly sing this song and will teach my fellow generations to sing to imbibe themselves for the cause of such a Great Nation. Moreover, I study Islamic literatures regularly and offer Namaz regularly. We are living in 21st century and should shed off all our superstitions behind, if we want to progress!!!
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
by maheshkulharia on Aug 29, 2006 09:01 AM Permalink
which HISTORY are you talking about. Last time I checked there was equal contributions from all communities in proportion of their populations. Before claiming anything or trying to be a historian get your facts straight. Chandashekhar, sukh dev, Subhash chandra bose and countless others were HINDUS just like Bhagat singh, Udham singh and countless others were SIKHS and Ashfaqullah, Bhadur shah and countless were MUSLIMS. Each community participated equally. You show sick mentality by claiming MUSLIMS better than ALL. I am hindu but if for need of my NATION I have to change my religion I shall gladly do that even conversion. For all nationalists NATION COMES FIRST ALWAYS. So dont give stupid logic and hide behind misrepresented principles (propagated by terrorist like fundamentalist people) for not singing NATIONAL song. If these foolish people think that we INDIANS od today will allow another partition they are day dreaming. Even if we have to die we will not allow another division and mind you before we have to die we shall give HELL to ANTINATIONALS. There can be no discussion on NATIONAL SONG. It is DUTY and not a RIGHT. One has to SING and there is no choice. Vande Materam
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by Nagesha on Aug 29, 2006 12:08 PM Permalink
Which freedom Struggle Ayaz? If you have read the history properly, there are only instances of muslims betraying this nation not only during freedom struggle but also during partition. Can you count of muslim leaders...yes you can , because they are countable. But Hindus it is infinite. But those muslim leaders, who fought, fought for India and not for Imam bukhari or Sonia Gandhi.
