I quote from "Calicut: The City of Truth Revisited by Prof. M.G.S. Narayanan"
As mentioned above, when the fear of humiliation and conversion to Islam gripped him, the king reportedly set fire to the powder magazine with his own hand. This happened on 27th April, corresponding to 14th of Medam, 941 ME (1766 AD) on Chitra day. The blowing up of the fort was symbolic of the end of Zamorin’s rule of Calicut which had lasted for more than 600 years. The Capital city from where his ancestors had marched out “to die, kill and conquer” was no more the same.
Thus the last ruler of the dynasty which treated Islam with dignity and promoted the Mappila interests in Malabar, perished due to the attack of a Muslim aggressor from Mysore. It gods to the credit of the Mapplia community that during three decades of Mysore occupation under Hyder Ali and Tippu Sultan, they refused,, with a few exceptions like the Ali Rajas of Cannanore, to join hands with the invaders inspite of appeals in the name of religion. Unquote
So Islam was spread in India not only thru forcible conversions during invasions but by seers like Malik Deenar.
However there is no need for our muslim friends to justify or be apologetic about the atrocities committed by the Invaders. We cannot reverse the clock. Learn from history and look forward to the future unbiased.
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by Aftab on Jul 11, 2008 09:40 AM Permalink
You might have quoted things correctly. I can not comment on it as i have very little knowledge. My knowledge on the subject is as good as your knowledge about Islam and how Islam was introduced in India.
In India, Islam was introduced and spread by the Sufis, like Khawja Nizamuddin Chishti, Hazrat Shah Shrfuddin Yahya Maneri and several thousand saints & Fakirs who came from middle east countries.
All the muslim kings were simply king who were either interested in safeguarding their kingdom or spreading their area. They had nothing to do with Islam.
Once the era of sufism was over, Islamic preachings were done in Khanqah.Khanqah too lost its relevence as those managing it turned like Pandas in Mandir intersted in extorsion of money".
Then came the Madarsa-- Madarsa was an institution of basic as well as higher learning where the children of rich people use to go but its relevence has substantially reduced as the mushrooming of Madarsa has become a business and quality of education imparted is very inferior.
So Madarsa lost its relevence substantially.Now it is the learned people who go door to door to preach Islam and they go allover the world to preach Islam
NOT A SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD WAS SHED TO SPREAD ISLAM IN INDIA , Africa or europe.
In europe more than onelakh fourteen thousand european (manily women)have accepted Islam in last one yaer. In Swedan 1200 people have accepted Islam after the cartoon controversy
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by $Ronaldo$ on Jul 11, 2008 09:59 AM Permalink
And now Madrasas have become a place where hatred towards other religions are taught and a training ground in Pak and Afghanisatan to teach Jihad.
RE:RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by Virgo on Jul 11, 2008 10:04 AM Permalink
It is incorrect and insinsere to portray that Islam was spread peacefully in India. Not entirely true. There was a lot of coercion both by the Muslim kings and the Sufis. Thousands of temples were destroyed and mosques built on them. Even the holiest of Hindus temples, the Kasi Viswanatha temple was destroyed by Aurangezeb and the Gaynvapi Mosque was built on the site. It still stands next to the Vishwanath temple that was rebuilt on an adjecent site later. Aurangazeb and other Muslims rulers also imposed Jizya tax on Hindus to force them to covert. You must read history from sources other than the revisionist paki history books.
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by Sincere Citizen on Jul 11, 2008 10:10 AM Permalink
Dont know about your knowledge of history but the entire strugglle of the Maratha king Shivaji and then the Peshawas was to oppose the atrocities of Muslim empire of Aurangzeb and the kingdoms of Kutubshah,Nizam and Adlishah.
History clearly has it on record that every single time the Muslim army invaded they destroyed temples and forcibly converted people, including the son of Shivaji ie Sambhaji who was tortured and killed because he refused conversion.
We dont blame all Muslims/Islam for this but the fact is very often Muslim rulers interpreted forcible converion as good cause of Islam and did it with a single minded agenda.
Even the sikh guru was tortured and murdered by Aurangzeb. The sikh panth was formed to protect the mass Hindus from Islamic attackers. Hindukush means graveyard of Hindus who were killed during the initial invasion. Surti somnath temple was looted 17 times by such an invader, many people were killed during such invasions.
History cannot be denied but there is an understanding that such cruelties were more arising out of power hungry despots using Islam as a tool for their conquests.
In fact my personal opinion is that Islam was hijacked during the times of Muhammed when his "followers" realised the potential of a new faith to help their personal greed.
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by Virgo on Jul 11, 2008 11:26 AM Permalink
Islam was not hijacked as you state. If you read the Quran and the Hadiths, you will realize that it teaches that Islam is the only truth and that it must be spread by force if necessary. There are a number of passages in the quran that teaches intolerance, bigotry and hatred. You should stdy the many archives in faithfreedomdotorg to know the truth.
That having said, it does not mean all muslim people are bad.
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by JGN on Jul 11, 2008 12:47 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>NOT A SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD WAS SHED TO SPREAD ISLAM IN INDIA , Africa or europe........this is incorrect information. That was the reason why I wrote "So Islam was spread in India not only thru forcible conversions during invasions but by seers like Malik Deenar".
The muslims in present day India are not the legacy holders of the Islamic invaders. They (or their ancestors) were the victims of such atrocities.
As for conversion even today, only a handful of people converts to Islam for some very personal reasons. I know of only just one person who converted to Islam recently, that too for a very personal reason (noted writer Ms. Kamaladas aka Madhavi Kutty). Now she has given up burqua and even fled Kerala.
You have yourself admitted that in Europe mainly women converted to Isalm. That may be due to them falling in love with some muslim guy and conversion in a pre-requisite for a muslim to marry a non-muslim.
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by Reformer on Jul 12, 2008 01:31 AM Permalink
What a pop-eyed reason for conversion of european women to Islam... This means one thing on your part to say.." even if we fall, our leg was up in the air"
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by Virgo on Jul 11, 2008 10:03 AM Permalink
It is incorrect and insinsere to portray that Islam was spread peacefully in India. Not entirely true. There was a lot of coercion both by the Muslim kings and the Sufis. Thousands of temples were destroyed and mosques built on them. Even the holiest of Hindus temples, the Kasi Viswanatha temple was destroyed by Aurangezeb and the Gaynvapi Mosque was built on the site. It still stands next to the Vishwanath temple that was rebuilt on an adjecent site later. Aurangazeb and other Muslims rulers also imposed Jizya tax on Hindus to force them to covert. You must read history from sources other than the revisionist paki history books.
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by JGN on Jul 11, 2008 08:50 AM Permalink
Note: Mappila means Muslim in Malayalam. Zamorins(Samoothiris)were the rulers of Calicut till Malabar was annexed by Britishers to Madras Presidency.
RE:Pl do not straight-jacket all Muslims
by Virgo on Jul 11, 2008 10:10 AM Permalink
JGn, you are right that our fellow Muslim Indians shouldn't justify or be apologetic, but they do have a responsibility yo admit and accept that their ancestor Muslim invaders and prosletysers did a great deal of harm to the country leading to the breakup of our ancient land. They have this responsibility in order to reach for atonement with the Hindus and build a more peaceful coexistence.
