I agree with you fun man...it is sad what Golden is expressing...but it is equally SAD that so called fellow citizens are constantly targetting muslims and Islam Indirectly by aiming pakistan and getting away with that as their duty for being patriot to India...Yes it is sad that fellow citizens continously keep muslims on the edge of pointing finger and taste their loyalty to this country and accuse the of being traitors...no matter how much the FELLOW CITIZENS harm the countries national interst..social and religious harmony...or corruption and lot many things...they can get away with that...but a muslim even spat on road then it is is stamped antinational..anitsocial..threat to nation..traitor.... who gave you rights to judge others? and who are you to challenge muslims rights and loyalties towards India? and you get more drama in the situation by the emotionals like Golden..they add fuel to the fire...and the cycle goes on and on and on...
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by kadwa sach on Feb 20, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
who gave you rights to judge others? -> WOW!!! Look who is talking about judging others. Islam and Muslims have already judged everyone other who is not Muslim to be kafir and to deserve death and hell after they die... Even when they are alive the non muslim man's life is 1/4 worth of a muslim and a non muslim woman is 1/8th...
Go look in the mirror and then talk about equality and right to not being judged by others.
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by desperate guy on Feb 20, 2008 09:01 PM Permalink
you are a little late...i was eagerly waiting for you...so here is one more example...misquote the quranic verses and laws of sharia...relate them to out of context situation....and label it whatever you want...i guess you are provoked by Arun shuri and other such so called SCHOLARS....buddy...first you go and study about Islam with unbiased mind from AUTHENTIC RESOURCES...read the historical background..time span and perspective of everything...then if still feel like harping on the same string..its your choice...after all..AMONG PEOPLE, SOME ARE WISE, REST ARE OTHERWISE...
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by kd on Feb 20, 2008 10:03 PM Permalink
I am curious about one thing. India was under moghul rule for hundreds of years. Under that rule several innocent hindus were massacared women raped and sold off and temples razed and untold misery and violence. Well past is past but looks like pakistan still is proud of all the massacres and plunder. Look at the way the name the missiles. I really dont know how muslims feel about their history and all tis plunder. I have not read any of the holy text of any relegion but my question why the % of hindus and other religion dwindled to almost nothing compared to multifold growth of islam in India. Why were kashmiri pandits allowed to get raped and sent away from theior homeland while the prime minister of India loses sleep for a terrorist parents.
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by desperate guy on Feb 21, 2008 07:31 AM Permalink
looks like you have a time machine and went back and lived all the 300 years of mughal ruling and hence you so authentically crying about the ONLY HINDUS BEING MURDERED ..RAPED...ETC ETC...or dont carry the things in your mind that have been fed to you without proof...go and read history...again...historical events were the trends of the time...what was wrong was wrong...so my wise freind...what is your solutions to the the crimes of history..that the present muslims who were not even in this world at that time should be punished for this?. do you have a logic for it?. ..anyways..as i told in other messege..when you run out of arugument you start harping the same string..muslims invaded us..muslims attacked us...looted our wealth and land..raped our woman...killed our innocent children....and where did they go after doing this all?and where is the looted wealth now? they should be wealthy if they did so much nuisance? the did only british kissed Indian land and went back after their peacfull honeymoon of 250 years? and corrupt governments in every five year screwing our wealth and how many ghutala and scams do i have to mentions about your stolen wealth? and go and read the Government documents for the status of rape cases in today's India where hindu are in power..and then count how many of those rapist are muslims.....and talk about present..dont hide your neck in sand like ostrich by yelling about past....
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by jet on Feb 20, 2008 11:23 PM Permalink
Muslims partitioned this country and shed the blood of this country. Muslims who were invaders and looted this country and converted many people, instead of integrating in to this country have divided this country. They stole the land and wealth of our motherland. So it is obvious to suspect them in india. The divided this country once and are ready to divide it again.
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by kadwa sach on Feb 21, 2008 12:47 AM Permalink
Really! So I misunderstand but Saudi Arabia, and Osama understand Islam? Sharia says murder of hindu is 1/8 the crime of murder of muslim? Don't know and don't care. What should we consider Islam to be? Theory or what is practiced? Actions always speak louder than words. You might care about words, I care about truth on ground. Study islam! You think anybody would want to after what its followers are like?
Deoband understands Islam? Malaysia which changes the religion of a dead man understands islam? Iraq which takes hostage diplomats understands islam? Kashmiri, pakistani, bangladeshi and Malasian Hindus understand islam in the correct context of living in islamic majority lands? The poor tribals in Africa and sudan understand Arab originated marauders in the right "CONTEXT"? All these should go read the sharia and quran before complaining or it would not "satisfy" you sense of judging muslims for what they practice?
You seem to have studied Islam... Why don't you preach islam to all these people mispracticing it instead of suggesting us who do not care about it at all other than how it makes our daily lives poisonous...???
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by desperate guy on Feb 21, 2008 07:45 AM Permalink
Dear kadu...hindu is nowhere mentioned in Quran ...betaa...mere laaal....it is mentioned for KAAFIR...and by KAAFIR means one who denies the truth, believes and work for evil.. so If bhagwan raam killed rawan then in this situation Rawan is Kaafir...and when Krishna Killed Kans..then in this situation Kans is kaafir....so weren't such killings fare???? and by muslim it refers to a practising muslim..not just any one who is born muslim or have muslim name.... but as I told you..the usual practise of misquoting and misinterpreting is what been taught to you... and for your suggestion to teach and preach Islam to all those countries..we are doing that..but would you people give us a break? every now and then some stooge gives statment in Media and speaks ill about Islam and Prphet..then these people start protesting..then you people label bring their resistance in spotlight and make smart theories what you have mentioned above...then USA feels the have WMD ( not found yet ) or they are hiding Osama bin Ladin ( still at large )...then ware begins...few days past and the some pope in rome starts the same cycle..all the process repeated...then some days passed then some cartoonist does a misschief again protest...you people have made it a fun and you enjoy hurting muslim's religious feelings and when finally stressed under burden of misparaging..unemployyment..discrimination...military attacks...and continuous baseless accusation of what they have not done...cause them to react
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by FUN MAN on Feb 20, 2008 07:30 PM Permalink
My Syed, yes it is sad letz agonize for a while. I am not questioning anyone here. Read all his previous posts first. In one of the post he said indians has to wait to collect their tears when paksitan uses nuke power. So I was asking him why he is feeling so good about it and I asked him to look back at himself and his social responsibility. Do this look like branding. I did not conclude anything, simply asked him to review his thoughts, is that wrong? I am not interested in challenging your rights or anyone rights as I am not a policeman. You are right let me not add more msg to this. As we all know everyone has brains to think and judge and act. Have a nice day.
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by desperate guy on Feb 20, 2008 08:09 PM Permalink
I already told you Golden is an emotional fool like veera kumar...neither veera kumar whole of the hindu nation and its mentality nor Golden represents whole of the muslim nation and its mentality....why dont you suggested veera..or sincere citizen or other people who posted more humiliating and outrageous comments to look back and realize their social responsibility????
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by veera kumar on Feb 20, 2008 08:17 PM Permalink
ha ha ha .... we know abt our social responsibilities ....put the qs to muslim fanatics who go abt bombing bharat and also vehemently justify that ISLAM is the best and others are crap ...
as long as these nut cases dont stop,pls dont expect us to also stop ..
read what that nut case golden has written abt pakistan ....
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by desperate guy on Feb 21, 2008 07:17 AM Permalink
I dont give a damn about pakistan...it is not for proving you people my loyalty to India...it is because I don't have any concern with them and I dont agree with what they are doing...
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by PerfectRace on Feb 21, 2008 08:51 AM Permalink
THIS IS WHERE UR DUAL TONGUE AND DUAL MIND COMES OUT. YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY CONCERN ON WHATEVER YOUR FELLOWS ARE DOING AND ALSO DO NOT CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING FROM YOUR SIDE TOO. MEANS YOU ARE ENJOYING THEIR MISDEEDS. ALL MUSLIMS ARE TRYING TO ACT SMARTLY IN THIS WAY AND ESCAPE.
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by desperate guy on Feb 22, 2008 12:47 AM Permalink
Perfect Race @ "THIS IS WHERE UR DUAL TONGUE AND DUAL MIND COMES OUT..." same i could say about your synonymous Israeli and american forces doing in middle east, and afhghanistan few of the african countries.... you enjoy their misdeeds...even if you dont contribute directly ( though India has offered USA to provide air bases for attack on Iraq and was shamefully rejected ) but still you like it when they kill muslims in their..so called your DUAL TONGUE AND DUAL MIND POLICY of hating Pakistan becuase it is enemy country to India and not because it is inhabitated by muslims ( since you are secular and freindly with muslims..lol ) is been exposed here... all hindus are practically acting smart this way... i m waiting for your Eid greeting card on coming Eid my Indian secular brother and dont forget to invite me to dinner at Diwali festival ...smart guys...i love you all for your hypocratic smartness.... and the biggest example of your dual tongue behaviour is the statment of the prime representative of Hinduims mr. L.K. ADVANI..when he always speaks ill of pakistan but when personally visited their he start adulating Jinnah....Jinnah was great reformer...wah wah wah....what a single mind single tongue policy..so if leaders are like that..then how will be the nation?
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by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 07:34 PM Permalink
Mr.asad syed, the obsession of the followers of Semitic religions with their "one book and one god" is the reason for intolerance. And on top of that they ridicule our native culture (don't confuse culture with religion).
In fact the muslims of christians abusing our native culure are abusing their own ancestors. We all belong to the same ethnic group. Neither the muslims came from West Asia nor the Christians came from Eruope.
There is no proof for the existence of any god. The so-called holy books are creations of surrealistic visionaires. There are no separate heavens/hells for the followers of different religions.
Believe in the basic goodness of all humanbeings and in the principles of modern civil laws. Believe in yourself. You are not inferior to somebody who lived hundreds of years back nor do you have to follow what is written in a book thousand of years back.
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by Vishwas/Jeff on Feb 20, 2008 11:02 PM Permalink
Brother I feel you have misunderstandings abt Christians in India. The common Christian man in India is not same as the Anthony/peter you see in Hindi movies. Mostly they depict goan/mumbai catholics in movies. I am a Protestant Christian and I have a Hindi name (which I am proud of), and unless I tell someone, nobody can find that I am a Christian. SOme people ask me why I don't have an english name? My answer is, I am an Indian and so I have an Indian name. Religion is a very personal thing, something that people should practice in their home and community, nt something by which you judge others. And most Christians around the India are proud of our culture. Of course there are city slickers who pretend to be very modern in views and bad mouth abt the culture, but trust me there are more Hindus who act like this than all the Christian population of India. Christianity has integrated so well with our culture. I grew up in a Church where service is conducted in Marathi language. Even in our weddings we follow traditions like haldi, mehndi. And believe me many Christians in India will not like the idea of bride wearing a dress/gown,, its mostly a white saree. I bet you don't hve any Christian friends or you probably don't know that some of your friends are Christians.. Don't blame Christianity for bringing the evils of western world to India, any given day, any Indian Christian will feel more solidarity with an Indian Hindu, Muslim or Sikh brother than with a westerner
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by desperate guy on Feb 20, 2008 08:17 PM Permalink
you sound either communist or atheist from your talk...well thats a long discussion about who is doing what to whome... but there is God..no matter in what form people worship...you can not deny its existance...a lots of material is there on internet which proved compelling evidence about existance of God...but since you have a mind set..i know you wont accept it... I am not even advocating here Islam...I m not saying that we with our one book and one god concept are the only right people... I just pointed out at the concealed hatred and hypocracy that is being practised here... on the you these people boast being living in harmony....and peace..and respecting each others religion and beliefs...but when you dig a little deep..you will find hatred...hostility...and anger...and when minorites respond to this hatred..they are labelled terrorist..people with violence in religious teachings...and antisocial..antinational
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by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 10:35 PM Permalink
I am both communist and atheist and I have no hesitation in admitting that. The muslims always cry "Islam in danger" and "Zionist conspiracy" is their favourate war cry!
Pl understand one thing, the majority community in India have crossed the threshold limit of their tolerance and are in no mood to tolerate the antics of the followers of the semitic religions. I know very well how a religious person will feel, if an irreligious atheist like me can get irritated (I don't have any hatred based on religion as I believe in the principles of neo-humanism).
The so-called harmony etc exists only till the majority in our country are Hindus. Once the muslims become majority in any region, they will clamour for imposition of Islamic rule and Shariah. Even in small state like Kerala, the muslims had demaded and got a separte district called "Malappuram" by blackmailing the then Communist Govt.
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by Golden on Feb 21, 2008 09:40 AM Permalink
can you please let me know which of my expression made you sad assad bhai. if i have hurt any one meaninglessly then i must appologize. please let meknow.
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by desperate guy on Feb 22, 2008 02:56 AM Permalink
Golden, Your unnecessary favor to pakistan, and stupid emotional threats about nukes and use of teasing words and sentences ( like collect your tears, halath patli ho jayegi..etc ) in some of your messeges made me sad... these are not the sings of a good muslim..no matter how much they lie, mock at you and say bad and abusive words against your religion and faith..a muslim must always maintain his dignity and hold his manners good. If I dog bites you, will you bite back to that dog????.. Don't behave arrogant, bigoted, brainwashed one minded like them...
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by desperate guy on Feb 20, 2008 08:28 PM Permalink
all your valualbe knowledge and peacfull expression of it is a result of exposure to only hatred speeches of fundamentalist hindu religious leaders like Togadiya, Advani ,Modi etc...and to ad a little more taste to it Bollywood had done contributions with movies like GADAR...beutifully crafted and distorted view of the history and disparaging image of one particular community...and emotional dialogues like in GADAR...offcourse they are authentic for you..because they depict all non muslims being GOODY GOODY righteous people...and muslims a bunch of illetrate, antisocial, stubborne people with always swords in hand..killing innocent peoples...raping women..beating their own females...so all the crime going in this country and all the evil things are been carried out by muslim community only...otherwise India would have been poised by now if there were no muslims...where are maoists? naxalists? banjrang dal? RSS? oh come on..these are all goody goody peoples... and what happened to the scams and scandals of crores of rupees of indian wealth being steath by corrupt politicians? what about underworld...oh offcourse all the underworld is Dawood Ibrahim...and many other muslims characters only... thats what you have been shown..and that what how you like to see it....I can't help your nesience...
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by on Feb 21, 2008 02:05 PM Permalink
asad you must know the following before you open yr mouth favouring your co religionists:
An intensive research conducted by Zenab Banu of Gujarat on the cause and effect of communal riots since 18th century (which was a topic of her Ph.D. thesis), wherein she had analyzed and documented major Hindu-Muslim riots spread over 250 years, shows that in over 95 % cases the riots were initiated by Muslims. Her thesis has been published in a book entitled 'Politics of Communalism' (1978).
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by desperate guy on Feb 22, 2008 01:03 AM Permalink
on, you must provide me the sources of "Intensive Search" and proof that Zenab baanu is not materialist who edited her report ( if there is any such report ) like the eye victim of BEST BAKERY CASE changed her statments after being first threatend then offered a big sum of money ( which offcourse our media does not reveal ).... and for the sake of argument we assume that her thesis and analysis is true...then it says in your own words " being initiated " and didn't she point out the reason for initiation? the root cause??? allright..the riots or violent resistance more precisly was initiated by muslims after 1) demolition of babri masjid 2)hatred speeches of fundamentalist hindu religious leaders against Islam and Prophet and other such activities which are beutifully concealed by media and such biased survey and studies.... and why nobody is mentioning here the massacre of Sikhs in 1983? or was that only a myth like ramayana or mahabharata? never happened actuallly??? dude..these TASLIMA NASRIN, ZENAB BANU, SHABANA AAZMEEN..don't tell me about them...everyone knows they did this all for fame, money and protection...
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by on Feb 21, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
Why are Muslims powerless? Because we aren%u2019t producing knowledge. Why are Muslims powerless? Because we aren%u2019t diffusing knowledge. Why are Muslims powerless? Because we aren%u2019t applying knowledge. And, the future belongs to knowledge-based societies.
Interestingly, the combined annual GDP of 57 OIC-countries is under $2 trillion. America, just by herself, produces goods and services worth $12 trillion; China $8 trillion, Japan $3.8 trillion and Germany $2.4 trillion (purchasing power parity basis).
Oil rich Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait and Qatar collectively produce goods and services (mostly oil) worth $500 billion; Spain alone produces goods and services worth over $1 trillion, Catholic Poland $489 billion and Buddhist Thailand $545 billion (Muslim GDP as a percentage of world GDP is fast declining).
So, why are Muslims so powerless? Answer: Lack of education.
