RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by Mind Clear on Jun 15, 2008 12:49 AM Permalink
Colonization was one of the best things that happened to bring modernization to India. All Nobel laureates came during that time. Colonization and partition reinstated the values of education, industrialization, secularism, democracy, one-law at least for non-muslim majority, uniform civil code, gender equality, research, development, science and technology and we continued on the same values of human civilization. What India has achieved in such a volatile neighbourhood with religious madness going on and yet the fact that democracy did not falter, shows the inherent strength of the nation and its people. There will always be problems but within all that one has to push oneself in body and mind and strive to excel in various ways and get inner fulfillment in life. At the end, that is what matters. Slavery is a state of mind. Was Tagore or CV Raman slaves?
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by Zhakas Bhidu on Jun 15, 2008 11:52 AM Permalink
That's if you look from your western tinted glass. But colonization is a bad thing happened to India, else India would have shown it's old glory thru indigenous ways like China, Russia, some of the Eu countries. One thing colonization did is to ensure that every thing is measured thru the western (so called modern) barometer sidelining our strength in traditional education, medicine, farming spiritual life and Indian modernity. Now everything has to be measured by money, material stuff, coverage in English media, in Hollywood, and what west thinks about us. It will take may be another 100 years for our own people to realize what we lost because of colonization.
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by adrgdr on Jun 15, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
Pure nonsense. Your dichotomy shows in words "one-law at least for non-muslim majority". What happened to the wealth British carried out? Why is our Rs at 80 to Pound Sterling? If the wealth was with us, it would have been Rs 1 to 80 Pound Stertlings. Right from the days of Chanakya, there was a One India Idea. It was called Bharath Varsh. India could have grown much faster and bigger if there was no British rule.
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by David Jacob on Jun 15, 2008 12:32 PM Permalink
"Right from the days of Chanakya, there was a One India Idea. It was called Bharath Varsh."
I think it is thanks to the foreign invaders that this idea of one India has been put into practice. To take a simple example, I now live 20 kilometres away from my hometown - Just 200 years ago, the two places were it different petty kingdoms, which fought frequent inconclusive little wars with each other. There is even a little town on the way, whose name is a reminder that that was where taxes were collected from people crossing the border. It would be very disrupting to my schedule today if I had to go through Customs every time I visited my parents.
The british did a lot to damage India, true - but some of the changes they made were for the better - and if we know what is good for us it will prevent opportunistic 'political' leaders from taking us back to the bad old days.
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by AJ M on Jun 15, 2008 02:17 PM Permalink
Mind Clear, you aren't c;ear about everything. Slavery is a state of mind for you and me. For the poor rickshaw puller, he knows he can't think of sending his children to school so he doesn;t even bother himself thinking about school admissions. A dying young man in a village who can't reach a hospital or call ambulance services attributes his early demise to the will of God. So for them "Slavery" is real. They are slave to their miserable living conditions that the better off take advantage of. Did British colonization bring benefits? Yes, I agree huge benefits although at a high price of nation being looted. Apart from other benefits you mention, British unified the country, put a check on the Muslim growth, put a check to the aggressiveness in neighbors. As long as the British were there, there was no attempt by any country to invade India except Japanese during WWII. Can we modern INdians learn something from our history and the British method of controlling "bad" guys and "bad" neighbors. We didn't learn to use the carrot & stick policy even after seeing its use for 300 years. Both things that Indians haven't been able to do even today.
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by Calspadeaspade on Jun 15, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
Dfinitely colonialization followed by 2nd world war changed lot of things for the better in many countries like India, Indonesia and malaysia. We should also thank 2nd world war for crippling Britain, That is the reason they left India, Malaysia singapore and Sri Lanka (which were all British colonies).For their own convenience Brits centralised India with railways and Post office.Good things can happen to a people due to evil and bad things can happen to a place because of too much saintliness. If British were not in India, India will be a country like Rawanda or Sudan or Afganistan with huge Muslim population but no oil. We may be fighting wars for ever.This is the truth but peoole cant handle it.
