To all who thinks they are virtuous because they are veggies, and Non-Veg are killers...please think again. Do you people use leather items? it is animal skin killed to make a bag or jacket or shoe for you. And what about silk cloth? a live silk worm is immersed in boiling water to have the cocoon seperated so that we can wear nice silk clothes.(And dont tell me by life, u only mean a goat or a chicken) So please dont make moral judgements about Non-Veg people
RE:Nothing to do with Virtue
by Rationalist on Jan 09, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
Typical ways of non-veggies to justify eating animals & killing thier consience.
RE:Nothing to do with Virtue
by Arnab on Jan 09, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
Everyone kills, including veggies. We dont try to justify, unlike the veggies.
RE:Nothing to do with Virtue
by Rationalist on Jan 09, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
I agree that inspite of vegeterianism you can't avoid using animal based product like leather, silk or even honey for that matter which humans claim right on. But one feels if that is not enough one has to be a vegan and not the other way as you mentioned. If you can'tn be the best(vegan) try to be one or atleast better(veggie) but not bad(non veggie). Do'nt have negative pessimistic attitude. We are not apes that we cannot understand what harm we are causing to other specis around us.
RE:Nothing to do with Virtue
by Vishal Jadhav on Jan 09, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
Doesnt seem rational....choosing the lesser evil...evil is evil....no grey shades....just black or white1
if ur reason to not eat meat n seafood is caring for animals....then do not use any products which use animal parts or for which they are killed.
RE:Nothing to do with Virtue
by Rationalist on Jan 09, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
I'm not saying about me. What I'm asking is not to justify killing animals to eat. If you want do it fine but don%u2019t try to justify saying vegiterians are also abusers so that makes no difference.No, it will certainly make a difference & you have to accept that.It is about less evil or more evil. It is about the difference you can make. When you have substitutes available there is no need to use animal products like today you have synthetic leather, rubber,plastics.So make use of them. Any ways I do'nt use talcom powder(though I do'nt know about presence of fish bones, I beleive not to use materials that are not necessary)
RE:Nothing to do with Virtue
by Kohinoor Gupta on Jan 10, 2008 12:42 PM Permalink
anyone heard about bone-crystallization (where are the VEGGIES?) ... animal bones are used as bone-charcoal and for crystallization of sugar ... yo veggies go have a trip to any sugar mill and have fun.
RE:Nothing to do with Virtue
by S Ramanathan on Apr 15, 2008 08:09 PM Permalink
I think the key is doing what is practical. Would I avoid meat, yes. But would I go to difficult lengths, probably not. Many people do not know about the crystallization process. I have met (vegetarian) people who avoid using crystallized for this reason. Apparently mishri (hindi for lumped sugar) is used after taking out the thread. Others who cannot avoid it do use it but use mishri for the elders and people they respect. Also, it is environmentally efficient to avoid meat products as meat is a secondary product. Is it virtuous to avoid inefficient food in these time of crisis and shortages? I think so. A chicken consumes much more than the vegetarian meal that it replaces. This is actually true in the animal kingdom as well. Most giant species are not predators (whales, elephants, giraffes etc.). Again whales consume plankton (it may be debatable if this is meat or not) and that is efficient as it is the primary product.
