What is being discussed here is result of 800 years of History of rampage, loot, killings and psychological systematic denigration of Hindu Indians and psyche, first by Muslims and later by British.
Hindus have lost a sense of pride in their own identity, culture, languages and glorious achievements- all of which stem from the base of Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism) and its values.
Unless a revival of Hindu identity, a strong sense of pride of our religion and way of life, a correct version of History^ and Present , and a strong Hindu Rashtra is emerged, these problems will persist.
^ ( e.g. Akbar was not Great as depicted, Aurangjeb should not have a single place named after him, Mother Teresa was a Missionary with a mission to convert, and Aryan-Dravidian theory is a British Invention
RE:The only solution
by Jobin V on Jan 03, 2008 08:16 AM Permalink
Do we need a Hindu Identity?? I am myself a "Hindu", but bringing in religion will only complicate things. The bad behavioral pattern is not to be linked with any religion, but the general attitude of the people - be it a hindu, muslim or a christian. If religion helps to change the atitude, why didnt it change by now?? Take the case of Japan - The dont have any particular religion - But it is one of the most peaceful country, with negligible crime rate, and people with the best social etiquette ! Indians tend to be like this, because it was like this before, and it is the same reason why british could come in and plunder, same reason why we are still developing in spite of having rich resources in terms of man power and material. Still, no one is to blame, we have to put aside blaming each other or a particular religion or a set of people, we just have to change ourselves and love our country better.
RE:The only solution
by doc_cent on Jan 03, 2008 10:21 AM Permalink
Wrong on both counts. Japan has two major religions - Shintoism and Buddhism. Japanese are amongst the most violent people in the world as is evident by their suicide rate. But they are superior to us in at least one field, that is they love their country and honour their emperor (seniors). They do not wash their dirty linen in public as many of us so-called urbane, elitist public-school educated, money-minded, US-Green visa aspirants do.
RE:The only solution
by Jobin V on Jan 03, 2008 10:40 AM Permalink
I dont want to be pro Japan either, I was just showing Japan as an example. Suicide rate there is comparable to that of India. They have religion but none of the people follow them seriously as we do. They are not even 10 % violent compared to us Indians - Violent in terms of hurting others. If religion unifies us, why are we not yet unified?? If religion helps, why was there Gujarat and why are there Islamic terrorists?? religion is proving to be more troublesome than the merrits it has.
RE:The only solution
by Rajni Mishra on Jan 03, 2008 10:51 AM Permalink
Religion is a matter of private faith and belief. When used in public domain, or political purposes, it becomes a scourge. Late Haribansh Rai Bachchan wrote "Mandir masjid bhed karate, mail karati madhusala"
RE:RE:RE:The only solution
by abcd on Jan 03, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
Jobin dont make statements by putting 'Religions' and Hinduism in same bracket. Other religions and Hinduism are not comparable, Hinduism is not a religion by that definition of 'religion' under which Islam and Christianity etc fall.
Every nation, society needs a soul, aplatform, aunifying factor. And that soul of India, culturally, historically, and socially is -Sanatan Dharama.
Untill our nation doesnt aquire a collective Hindu concious, a pride in our Hindu history and culture, we cant think of astrong India. It doesnt mean subjugating other religions, but they should have their place- foreign religions, though acceptable and allowed to live with us, but tahts it.
RE:The only solution
by piyush bakshi on Jan 03, 2008 10:28 AM Permalink
religion comes into the picture.. it unites a lot of us. a common thread running through us, we need to take hold of this thread.. the US swears by its religion, and all muslim countries are kattar. indians are divided by language, caste, customs but bound by religion so we need to hold on to this thread
RE:The only solution
by abcd on Jan 03, 2008 10:54 AM Permalink
Jobin What you are mumbling about? Are you talking about uniting Hindu and Muslims by giving example of Gujarat? Islamic Terrorism is not because of Hindus. Islamic Terrorism is everywhere, not just in India, and we are not discussing that. Also this is topic not about Hindu Muslim Unity! Don%u2019t get confused and don%u2019t confuse others. This topic is about Hindu Unity. Get it right first. Second Hindus are not violent, too pacifist in fact. We need to remember King Porus and Maharana Paratap and Shivaji and Arjun and Krishna%u2019s message and give Gandhi and his failed experiments some rest
RE:RE:The only solution
by rahul raj on Jan 03, 2008 01:34 PM Permalink
MEANINGS OF HINDU The word Hindu is not a religious word. It is secular in origin. It has been derived from the word Indo, Sindhu, which is the name of a major river that flows in the northwestern region of the Indian subcontinent. The ancient Greeks and Armenians used to refer the people living beyond the river Sindhu as Hindus and gradually the name struck. After centuries the Aryans came down, and where they started living, they named the place Aryavart and long afterwards it was named as Bhartvarsh. When the Muslims came to the subcontinent they called the people living in the region as Hindustanis to distinguish them from the foreign Muslims. Subsequently when the British established their rule, they started calling the local religions collectively under the name of Hinduism. So whosoever was living across the Sindhu was called Indu & now Hindu whether Muslim, Christian etc.
RE:RE:RE:The only solution
by rahul raj on Jan 03, 2008 01:35 PM Permalink
It is interesting to note that the word is neither Sanskrit nor Dravidian and did not originate in India. The word Hindu is also not mentioned in Hindu Scriptures. If, we go by the original definition of the word Hindu, any one who lives in the subcontinent is generally a Hindu, whatever religion he or she practices. It took the shape of an "Ism" lately, by Pundits and Brahmins. The rites, sects and ceremonies prevailing in the valley of River Sind were named as Hinduism. It means Hinduism in itself is nothing. It is a formulation and manipulation of Pundits and Brahmins and not of any Avtar or God.
RE:The only solution
by Jobin V on Jan 03, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
Did I ever in any of my posts Blame Hinduism?? Go through all of my posts again. All I said is that religion is not doing what it should. If it did, Why are there communal riots?? And the Muslim terrorists did follow Islam and the people who killed Muslims in Gujarat follower Hinduism. Now dont tell me Muslim terrorists are not Muslims and the Gujarat rioters are not Hindus!!
I am not againt any religion. There is no need for Hindus to be United, as i believe they are united now. The only thing we have to do is to love our country, and everything will be alright.
RE:The only solution
by sai on Jan 03, 2008 11:50 AM Permalink
welll u still havent understood it, but u typed it... Hindu doesnt resemble a religion.. its about culture ,a way of life ,everything Indian... I have seen so many Indians even if they wear suits ,the suits look awkward on Indians.. The english looks awkward from Indian mouths too... Every person or community who doesnt believe in his own identity and his own way of life has been a slave... Yes some aspects of Hinduism or indianness might be old ,but we can modernise them without much influence from the west.
RE:The only solution
by Rajesh Kumar on Jan 03, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
We should have only human identity. Hindus have suppressed its own people for long. That mentality still exists. Thats they try to find some other way to humilate its own people. We do not respect others. Same happens with god also. Thats why each indian has its own god ( more than its population on earth). Where as others have one or two or no gods.
RE:The only solution
by abcd on Jan 03, 2008 12:16 PM Permalink
Stop blaming Hindus and Hinduism for everything! Human Identity? Whats that? A bollywood song writers concept that has made us Hindus butt of everyone's jokes and being killed by everyone?
RE:The only solution
by rahul raj on Jan 03, 2008 01:30 PM Permalink
chal tu bata hindu dharam kya hai abe kaha se chori kiya yeh lecture tujhe maloom karna hai toh mujh se pooch le
