Was Rashmi paid by IITs and IIMs for publicity. Let me do some reality check on IITs and IIMs. Only good thing these institute do is pick people who are highly motivated and have ability to bear stress. And they select thousands (combined) out of billion people. You put these people anywhere and they are bound to do well just on the basis of selection. The level of innovation and creativity from IITs and IIMs is not even worth talking about (esp compared to input and talent pool). So all they do is choose a most sturdy of billion and provide them to American economy as techno-labor. On average these people work under the vision of someone else (I am not talking about exceptions). lastly coming to Rashmi Bansal. Her article should be deemed as 'funny'. She smacks of a attitude that people in Harvard she is criticizing posses. I have studied in elite places where selection ratio is even more difficult than IITs. And I have seen students who get this attitude the moment they get selection letter. Well I did and they all should consider them lucky first. And finally last myth: IITs and IIMs contribute to India's growth only as much as Indians working in Gulf (They just dont have Rashmi Bansal's for PR). Go to any technology and development place in India (DRDO, ISRO, etc) and show me how many IITs and IIMs are there? Lets not create Harvards in India. Access of quality education to all is must for any govt and society.
RE:Missing forest for the trees
by Jay Badri on Sep 12, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
Hope u heard about vinod khosla,ask his opinion about IITs,ask BillGates about IITs.we need more such institutes,that is the point.When 50% r uneducated we still have institutes like IITs,for that reason even apple is co-founded by a IIT guy,ask steve jobs.Vinod Khosla is bigger than Bill Gates.these people are having vision beyond our imagination.Nehru 70 yrs back started them we r reaping these benefits.why do u think only indians r dominating in silicon valley,why not other countries,they r highly motivated individuals who r making big and they r coming back in droves to our own silicon valley in bangalore.We brilliant people to take india to next level,though they r here in US,they will help back in India.How do we provide access to quality education to all,is underdeveloped govt is capable of providing.Does Ambani,L&T pays all their taxes,may be only narayan murthy ex IIT pays his taxes,why do u think Infosys is elite,One of the top companies because of lot of IITians,they love to share with all.We all studied in India,we r fortuante enough our fathers were lucky to provide education,some how nehru like visionaries took india on a right path,due to PV and manmohan like people,India is prospering,talking about DRDO and ISRO they r assemblyunits,each and every chip comes from US or other Asian giants,u cant have russia late bro economy here,capitalism drives excellence and US proved,even china following.Be wise and be proud u came this far.
RE:Missing forest for the trees
by blue wrox on Sep 13, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
To S.Narain
"My friend India can never be like USA,even if we 10 times more talented fellows as compared to Americans ,Be it sports or acedemics.. the reason".Everything in amrika is good and everything thats indian is bad for this idiot and he justifies with some stupid movie he sees.Stupid idiots like this should be banished to live in the ghettos of america.When he finds that the smell of poor in america is the same or maybe worser than india he will learn.Idiot.
RE:Missing forest for the trees
by Jay Badri on Sep 13, 2007 02:42 AM Permalink
we r a very young nation.Atleast we didnt go the rout of pakistan building nation on religion.Atleast educated visionaries like nehru,gandhi,vinobha bhave thought about IITs,nuclear research,Irrigation projects,manufacturing industry,improving rlws,public sectors,english,hindi.they always wanted unity among diversity.Politicians overtime exploited democracy to loot economy,use religion,caste for votes,but still foundation of education sustained us,middleclass with family values,encouragement and support from everybody lead a peaceful life in the absence of police,courts and justice.Govt cudn't even provide power or water or ven invest in education,here people r busy with survival,next comes entertainment or sports.Now people r becoming sophisticated,economy is improving,we shud improve sports.MRF started pacefoundation we see face bowlers now.In USA sports r a way of life,they have compulsory education,they provide plenty of oppurtunities for students to pursue sports as a career,it is very rewarding also,any poor guy can make it big in US,thats why blacks dominate lot of sports,lot of tendulkars here in tons of sports,like basketball,football,baseball,icehockey,athletics.They r rich,they have mindboggling educational facilities,let us cross one step,maybe we will make our youngsters pursue sports as a carrer option.Sania and Azhar made waves though they came from lower middleclass Hyd community.In US mostof the blacks r in jails,drug addicts,general 60% divorece rates..
RE:Missing forest for the trees
by RD on Sep 13, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
Most of your examples are exaggerated. Probably they are also generated by this hype the IIT and IIM machinery. Even if I take all of them as true for argument sake, they are all in US or working for the development of US. And thats the point, I am making if you can read carefully. I know Indians are bright (I have seen that). But our education system (and that includes IIT) creates technical labour, not innovators, leaders and creators. And I am NOT SAYING Indians can never be. But on average we are not. So don't be a moron and quote few examples created in the US system. If you read carefuly, I said IIT selection picks smart people and they are bound to do well given an chance. But my point is they would do as well if they are given an degree without attending single class. Its not EDUCATION, its just SELECTION. If you want to prove me wrong tell tell me about original research papers/work from IITs, and not how well these people did in US. Even cab drivers from India did very well in US.
RE:Missing forest for the trees
by S Narain on Sep 12, 2007 11:07 PM Permalink
My friend India can never be like USA,even if we 10 times more talented fellows as compared to Americans ,Be it sports or acedemics.. the reason???
In IITs/ IIMs have pathetic level of sponsoring for R&D, The Indian industry gives 1000 of croes to politicians to get advantage from different minsters like finanace,industry ,banking etc ,they would never spend any money on R&D. It is only in last 10 years that Indian industry is getting connected to global scene. This is changing the oppurtunities ,talented Indians would be sought after by MNCs whereas our rich & corrupt businessmen would be chasing politicians for making more money by hook or crook ,mostly at the cost of society. Our rich have perverted mind and care a damn about nation and the talented people. Hence brain drain is better than brain going into the drain!!!! Amitabh Bachhan did role of Jay in Shole ,fighting against the villian Gabbar ,It was appreciated but today he prefers to do the role Gabbar,because our society has become more appreciative of evil. I can hardly see now days people appreciating good .Evil is much more in demand.
