This is what has happened: 1.Under Saurav Ganguly, India was an intimdating team, which beat Pakistan, Australia etc. 2. So the australians planted a trojan horse in Greg Chapell. 3. Greg's a genuine expert at cricket, who dimantled the team slowly and surely. 4. First he eliminated ganguly and then realizing that Dravid is a softie, he took charge and destroyed the team. 5. All the bowlers forgot how to ball and the team fell into disrepute. 6. Greg refusted Venkatsh's prasad's help (read excellent bowling coach). beacausehe knew that venky would understand his ploy. 7. He confused a meritorious person(read the most hardworking,committed of all the big 3) like Dravid. 8. Finally the world no. 2 team could not qualify. Thanks to Greg.
To all the Dravid fans: I am one of dravids fans but at the same time i am a fan of ganguly and most of all A team india's fan. Dravid made the classic mistake which the indian kings made by joining hands with the british. Finally greg took over like the british, humiliated ganguly, sachin and finally a great person like dravid stands humiliated.
Moral: No matter what ur personal differences are, never let an outsider take advantage of that.
I hope all Dravid, ganguly and above all Indian fans read that.
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by Cricket s on Nov 16, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
what is missing in your story is that india was going down under Ganguly from 2004. Do you know that John Wright wanted Ganguly to be out of the team?
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by Ashish Kumar on Nov 16, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
You are right. Perhaps you will also remeber that during that perios Sachin who has always been one of the main stays of Indian batting, was injured and for some strange reason he was kept in the side with full knowledge that he will not be playing (remeber England tour where despite his superlative performance in county matches Dinesh Mongia was not played) As a result India played with a depleted side for a long time. You have not answered the questions raised b me. Do I presume that you siently agree with me?
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by Ashish Kumar on Nov 16, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
Let me clarify that I am not writing in defence of Ganguly. Like all mortals Ganguly too has had his ups and downs. But what pains me most is that some foreigner had managed to elicit support of Indians to demolish Indian team. Why are we so gullible? How many time shall we repeat the story of Mirzaffer and Jaichand?
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by Ashish Kumar on Nov 17, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
You are right. A coach per se can not be powerful but Chappel presented himself as a coach with vision of taking Indian cricket to different level. Such %u2018visionary%u2019 from the land of gods of cricket (Australia) would take any one off his feet. Dalmiya and Ganguly could be no exceptions. I have no problems with expulsion of Ganguly and introduction of young blood. These could have been with good intentions. What puzzles me most is the phenomenal fall and rise of Indian bowlers during the Chappel era and Venkatesh era, respectively, coupled with the fact that Chappel declined a bowling coach. Other factors that I have listed emerge as important pointers in this background. We Indian s have an inherent vulnerability to malevolent foreign influence due to deeply imbedded regionalism in our psyche caused by historical factors. Time and again foreigners have exploited this weakness. May I recall that John Wright also did not prepare Indians adequately for playing on grassy wickets in New Zealand before WC 2003? With the recent rise of team India like phoenix, I feel there is a need for cool thinking and re-evaluation of foreign coaches in general and Chappel in particular. If you find any flaw in my reasoning, pl do point out for I want to be corrected if I am wrong.
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by uncle shame on Nov 17, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
agreed. chappel was the culprit to convert our performers into non-performers. bolers lost their pace. he not only reduced our talen like irfan to mediocrity, actually he did not allow wasim akram when he wanted to advise irfan on his boling weakness. he came here with sole intention of clearing ausi's road to wc victory in odi.
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by Suman Bhat on Nov 16, 2007 07:45 PM Permalink
gnaguly and john build team also and watched how it curmbled. greg chappell may be bad for the ind cricket but he showed the mirror to the dark side of ind team dressing room politics. He tried to bring professionalism and treated all players equal and alike, also pushed players from the comfort zone it was big mistake he had guts to speak against dirty politics of superstars and even nobody from ind media / bcci dare not speak for that he got kicked out of team b[cuz whole country knew coach did not perform in the crickdet field WC 2007 debacle was failure performance of XI players dravid was blamed bcz he got the captiacy and ganguly was out of team. if dalmiay was not bcci pred ganguly would never deserved a XII man in team but continued as non performing captain. when chappell took as coach team ind was ranked 8th and when he had shown the door team was ranked in 6th icc ranking odi ranking. I am not greg chappel's fan either but fact is fact. IF dravid as captain could got support of all players things would have been different He would not have faced so much humiliation
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by Ashish Kumar on Nov 16, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
Greg Chappel was a trojan horse (I hope u know what it means, if not read, the story of seige of Troy in Greek mythology), planted by Aussies to ensure their winning of WC for a third time. If u can not see through the game plan, I can only pity your intellect. Look at the following evidence: 1.He sowed the seeds of division by stoking ambition of captaincy in Dravid; 2. He maligned the captain who had built a winning India side out of a side demoralised by betting scandal, thereby weakening the binding force in the team; 3.He appears to have meddled with the bowling (action, steps etc) of bowlers like Zahir, Irfan, Munaf, R.P etc. as all of them lost their pace as a result of his coaching. At the same time Bhajji lost his sting and became docile. Within of months Chappel's demise (as Indian coach) all the above mentioned bowlers have revived, have gained pace and/or venom; 4. The doubts expressed above are accentuated by the fact that Chappel refused BCCI's offer of providing a bowling coach even though qualified and veterans like Venkatesh Prasad were available; 5. After Chappel's departure team India again revived and even won the T20 WC. U may argue that under Chappel the team had won a series of matches initially but remember demolishing a strong structure does take some time espeially when u hv to work stealthily without overtly expressing your intention. U too are an India national and I am sure u too take pride in India's success. How do u respond to above?
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by Suman Bhat on Nov 17, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
chappell did not realise that ind cricket is hyjacked by power maony politics and groupism. he treated all players are alike and equal and tried to push players from comfort zone and got kikced out of team
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by vox populi on Nov 17, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
ashish--before you continue with your fables please realsie that ganguly/dalmiya combine brought in Chappel--do u ean to say that he was so powerful that he could get rid of players,appoint a captain etc--are you not giving him too much credit? How can any coach in the world give a guarantee of performance of his wards--it is left to the individuals to perform and with so many self centered,selfish players what do you expect?
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by VB Dhar on Nov 16, 2007 08:41 PM Permalink
suman .... ganguly is the same person who has shown incisive captainship and led the team ot innumerable victories. And when u are speaking of facts ... acknowledge this fact to ... ganguly on record has the high success rate as a captain ... even better than azaruddin ... not to mention that he is the first one to defeat pakistan in pakistan. Also other than Sachin Tendulkar .. Saurav ganguly is the only player in the history ofindian cricket to have scored 10000 runs ... this is another fact The man has his problems but give him his just due for his service to the country.
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by rangaswamy on Nov 16, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
IT IS TRUE THAT GANGULY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SHUNTED OUT OF THE TEAM. HE WAS AND WILL BE THE BEST CAPTAIN OF INDIA AND HIS COMMITMENT TO THE GAME IS UNQUESTIONABLE. EVEN AFTER HE WAS SHUNTED OUT HE BOUNCED BACK LIKE AMARNATH AND PROVED HIS WORTH. BAD PATCHES FOR ANY PLAYER ARE COMMON AND THEY CAN BE RESTED AND SHOULD NOT BE SHUNTED OUT AND THEIR MORALE SHOULD BE BOOSTED IN CASE U NEED HIS SERVICES. SELECTORS LIKE MONGIA SHOULD BE SHOWN THEIR WAY OUT WHO CATEGORICALLY STATED THAT GANGULY DOES NOT HAVE A PLACE IN THE SQUAD WHICH GANGULY PROVED WRONG.
HE IS A MASTER PLAYER WHOSE CLASSIC PLAY SHOULD BE PRAISED, WHICH IS WORTH WATCHING FOR A CRICKET LOVER.
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by Suman Bhat on Nov 17, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
ganguly was non performing captian later 2 yrs of his captiancy but survived b'cuz of dalmiay he had higest winning % in tests but ind odis it is against dravid's name. pakistan ind won test under dravid ganguly was not part of playing XI and even III test it was dravid's innigs. ganguly success b'cuz of perfromance of dravid sachin veeru kumble and vvs not his captiacy qualites liek taking out shirt ganguly is media hyped captain ind media / cric expert never spakes gnaguly dadagiri even dravid batting at no 1 to 7 scored 10 k runs ganguly had advantage of leading team for 5 and half whereas other captains never got chance when greg chappell talked about young team ppl criticised him same ppl are praising dhoni's young team when team won T20 WC ganguly was out team bucaz icc put ban, his poor form and pathatic batting dravid was blamed b'cuz he accepted captaincy.even dravid as captian won many odis and tests without gnaguly and tendulkar also dravid's tenure as a captain is not half of time what gnaguly got the chance to lead dravid gave 100 % for team cause when he played under sachin azar and ganguly but same support he did not get from the players like ganguly and sachin bajji zahir when he was leading He trusted the players but betrayed by his teamates otherwise WC07 wouldhave been diff Even now if kuble gets support all othe r10 players he will be successful
