RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 04:35 PM Permalink
If he scores hundred in nxt game then u will write what a great player he is. U ppl really hav short memory when he played so well in Aus u ppl did not hav problem wid him. Ha ha wht an irony? Great Indians
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
In the 1990s, everyone used to say that Tendulkar's was the all-important wicket in the Indian team. It certainly bore examination, as there were numerous occasions when his dismissal ended the resistance from the Indian team. Most notably in the Chennai test against Pakistan, when Tendulkar's superb 136 in the fourth innings could not win India the match, as he lost his wicket about twenty runs before the target (his lower back injury was acting up), and the remaining four wickets promptly collapsed. The assumption always was that Tendulkar is under so much pressure because he knows if he gets out, the team will fold up instantly, and to be fair, it was more than partially true. But this was before the new era in Indian cricket dawned, before Sourav Ganguly became captain in 2000. With the emergence of Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly and later Sehwag as genuine match-winners, the pressure has been off Tendulkar for quite a while. And yet, since then, Tendulkar has deteriorated as a player. He does not deliver in crunch situations and you'd be hard pressed to find a single occasion when he took India home.
RE:RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:18 PM Permalink
Back injury acting up dude go get some life. I don't knw in which world do u live. Plz see a doc, u need medical attention very soon.
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
Tendulkar peaked in 1998, when he made those magnificent twin ODI centuries against Australia in Sharjah. It has been steadily downhill since then, with a few sparklers off and on, but that has apparently been enough for our media. Sample, how in the 1999 World Cup, when he came back after his father's funeral and slammed Kenya (whose bowling attack could not have been better than MIG Cricket Clubs at that time) for a 140, the media raved about him. That he did not cross 50 after that even once was characteristically glossed over. (It's not that failure is to be held against him more fiercely than others ; it's just that his success could be examined more closely).
Forget being the world's best batsman, Tendulkar is not even India's greatest batsman today. That distinction goes to Rahul Dravid, by a mile. No-one has won India more matches with the bat than Dravid has, not to speak of the matches he has saved. Both Laxman and Sehwag have played more significant, match-winning innings for the Indian team in the last 5 years than Tendulkar has (the man-of-the match awards clearly tell you that). So, why is he considered our greatest batsman.
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
Many keep saying that he's the greatest one-day batsman ever. The records/figures sure suggest that. Now, chew on these figures. Tendulkar's ODI averages in Australia,England,South Africa and New Zealand (usually tougher places to bat in than the subcontinent) are 28, 29, 27 and 27 respectively (these figures are against the host team only). His tally of centuries in these countries is 0, 1, 1 and 0. Meanwhile, his ODI averages against Bangladesh,Kenya and Zimbabwe are 50, 108 and 49. Compare this to Brian Lara's ODI record. Matches: 279. Average: 41.37. 100s: 19. Huh, you say? His ODI averages in Australia,England,South Africa and New Zealand are 37, 32, 36 and 52. His ODI average against Sri Lanka is 67, and it would do well to remember that those are not home conditions for him, as they are for Tendulkar. There's a reason why Murali has publicly stated that Lara is the best batsman in the world, and not Tendulkar. Also, Lara's averages do not get ridiculously skewed against the weaker teams (as is curiously the case with all the other great batsmen, except Tendulkar). He averages 42, 43 and 45 against Bangladesh,Kenya and Zimbabwe. It has been murmured in many quarters over the years, that Tendulkar is a bit of flat track bully, who relishes weaker attacks and does not play consistently against stronger bowling attacks. This is actually borne out in test cricket too.
RE:RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:24 PM Permalink
where did u hear abt this murmur? Is it murmur or ur imagination? If Murali reckons Lara to be the best batsmen, there are many great bowlers who reckon Sachin to be the best. Wht do hav to say abt tht? why r u just talking abt Murali, wht abt Wasim Akram, Waqar, Mc Grath, Donald, Shane Warne, gillespie, Brett Lee. why do u think ppl get worried when sachin's out, why do u think that opposition's happy when they get sachin out. Just by making up the numbers doesn't prove ur point, even I can come up wid some no. Get facts my friend and then lets get talking
RE:RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
Can I get Lara's Avg against individual team's tht seems to be missing?
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
The whole point of presenting all these facts is to question why Sachin Tendulkar is the cricketing role model of this country. With the natural talent he has been blessed with, he should be at the forefront of India's cricket success in the past few years. After all, don't they say that good players adjust and great players dominate? His failure on that count can only be attributed to weakness of mind or character, and/ or allowing a certain individual focus to supersede the team's requirements.
Having said all this, once again, it is worth adding that his importance to the Indian team is still tangible. Talent like his comes rarely, and if he could only be persuaded to play as freely as he used to in his younger days (and as he did on just a handful of occasions in the last 5 years), with the team's objectives as the primary focus, he could actually justify at least some of the hype he generates.
Till then, one has to wonder - why do the media keep projecting him as India's cricketing Go d? Why do former cricketers fli nch from cri ticizing him? Why is his inadequacy glossed over by commentators of the game? Is it a sign of the shallowness of our times, or of the priority of entertainment over substance in all walks of life? Sadly, that's not another story.
RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:17 PM Permalink
Rambo I think u hav totaly wrong perception abt sachin, dude I agree head over heels when u say Dravid is technically more correct and sound palyer than sachin. As Dravid himself puts it "I am a big fan of Tendulkar". Sums it all u hav something against Sachin , I can get The statistics and wld try to twist and turn things. Get the big picture my friend.
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
Tendulkar and Dravid make an interesting comparison study in another aspect.Think of all the adjustments (some would say sacrifices) Dravid made throughout his career, both in ODIs and Tests, and the story gets even more interesting. Dravid agreed to keep wickets in one-dayers to give his side a better balance. He went down to number 6 in tests, and even opened several times, to lend his side flexibility. Tendulkar? He never even considered opening in tests for India, despite being India's regular one-day opener, and despite there being a severe need for his kind of solid technique at the top of the order in Tests. He never even gave it a shot even once. In fact, just this fact makes one wonder why Sunil Gavaskar is not rated higher than Tendulkar :Gavaskar opened the batting against far more ferocious bowling attacks than Tendulkar has succeeded against at no. 4. Gavaskar saved, and even won, more test matches for India than Tendulkar ever did. And this, despite the fact that the Indian team was not such a big all-round force in most of Gavaskar's career. In fact, with the pressure of being the all-important player off Tendulkar (post-2000), it gave him the space to take his game to a different level, but he could not do that.
RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
First of all, and lets get this out of the way straight away, there is no question that Sachin Tendulkar is one of the most gifted batsman of all time. His natural talent is beyond dispute; the combination of remarkably sound technique and aesthetically pleasing flair is very unique. The ability to make economical movements that effect more than what the eyes see immediately, decisively attack balls that others defend and consistently pierce gaps easily set him apart on the talent stakes from pretty much every contemporary batsman (except Brian Lara).; And of course,very fortunate to have such talent serve its national team.
But cricket ultimately is a team game. If you make individuals stars in a team game, it stands to reason that their contribution to the teams success is in that proportion too. It is true in every other sport, but somehow this basic truth gets obfuscated in cricket. And on this count, to put it bluntly, Sachin Tendulkar does not live up to anything near his billing. Unlike every single notable peer of his ; Lara, Steve Waugh, Aravinda DeSilva, Inzamam, Ponting, Hayden, Kallis, Fleming and most importantly Rahul Dravid.
RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
My friend steve waugh, Hayden, Pointing etc etc etc. Have been playing or have played cricket for at the most 10-15 yrs. He has played this game for nearly 19-20 yrs now. he started when he was 16. Just imagine the amount of pressure he takes in each n every game he plays. And the amount of cricket he has played is not matched by any of the names u hav mentione. Also s Waugh, pointing, hayden etc hav ahd the luxury of having played with many good players in the team. Even if they lose their wicket they knw they hav some more good players in their side to score. But for sachin he did not hav this luxury, he has always taken the burden. I even doubt the names u mentioned wld have scored the runs if they had team mates sachin ahd in their team. Just bcoz now he gets injured or is out of form n nw we hav players who can score for us u ppl hav started his credentials. Don't forget the best batsmen of this century Don Bradman respects sachin n reckons he is the best. Viv Richards the greatest master blaster is his fan, Sahne Warne the best leg spinner ever to hav played respects him, Glen Mcgrath the best seam bowler reckons he is the best. S waugh the example u gave reckons tht while he was the captian he always wanted to get sachin out and was relieved when he was successful. When the great palyers who have played this game reckon he is the best I don't give a f**k abt what others think. Bcoz some where in ur mind or heart u ppl are jealous of his success. There is a saying in my
