i believe we should not engage with the australians more than the icc framework (the border gavaskar series kind of was a good start for a positive ties and increased play between the 2 countries). dont hire their players for advertisements, since they seem to have zero understanding of the ongoing dispute - and term everything as a means of the indian board to have their say, when in fact the people feel hard done by). reduce the interaction between australia and india for lack of understanding. the australians just cant seem to accept the indian point of view. its become a oneupmanship game.
RE:my position
by Bihar Badshah on Jan 08, 2008 09:46 PM Permalink
Raj, each and every word in your article is what I or most of the indians think..great article, good reply to that arrogant writer,somehow I feel your article should reach to aussies and british readers..see if you can use their media..India is not a pushover country..Frankly speaking we are second to none..and that is based on I working in USA for almost 9 years now..c'mmon India we are the emerging powerhouse and these thing are bound to happen..whenever there is power tranfer there is a noise .no one gives/shares the power willingly..Be confident and fight for anything wrong..Support Good.
RE:my position
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 09:50 PM Permalink
oh well, what you say is true. we are pretty good at a lot of things. when most of our people are educated, by sheer numbers we'd be world beaters im sure in a lot of fields. but unfortunately, my point isnt taken. thats ok i guess. its only a point of view, just like theirs :)
RE:RE:my position
by on Jan 08, 2008 10:10 PM Permalink
I am one of those British/Aussie readers - I can understand you guys are upset by the umpires and the result, but how would you feel if every newspaper/website/blogger called the Indian cricket team a bunch of cheaters, called Kumble a bad sport and claimed that India had bribed the umpires or the ICC in order to win? You may get a tad defensive...
Generally we are a pretty open bunch, and most of the Aussie coverage today was against the Aussies for legitimate issues - ie not walking (which is common to all teams, including India), sledging (which is fairly common in other teams, perhaps less so in India), and "over-celebrating" (which really can't be called a horrific crime - see 20/20 final).
We support our cricketers when they do good, and berate them when they do bad.
I have had a look at some of the Indian coverage and, even with legitimate complaints, it is way over the top. We can appreciate sporting passion, but much of what has been written has been personal and, frankly, incorrect.
If a paper complains that Australians don't walk and doesn't mention that Indians also don't walk, that is unfair. The same goes for appeals - the Ponting LBW and Kumble "driven for 2 runs" appeal should be ample evidence in this regard.
We are happy to accept legitimate complaints -and there ceratinly are some - but if you are fair, you can't be inconsistent and only paint the Aussies in a bad light.
RE:RE:RE:my position
by Bihar Badshah on Jan 09, 2008 01:20 AM Permalink
Please check with all the Asian Greats, even English,West Indians and SA on what they think aboout Aussies and the standard of umpring..If India is the only country blaming we will apolozise to any thing that has hurt our great aussie friends, who really are sports lover, but not their team (Pointing is a Cheat, and he has to live with that tag..it should be put beside his record)..Pls check the facts..Sir!
RE:my position
by on Jan 08, 2008 09:08 PM Permalink
You're right that we can't accept your point of view, Raj. I note your previous "hypothetical" view was that, since it is hypothetically possible that the Australians could be out to get Bajji (for reasons not entirely clear), they should never be believed about anything - just in case. Do you actually read your own posts? That one was a doozy.
Hypothetical - Bajji called Symonds a monkey just to cause this whole uproar so the Indian team could cancel the rest of the tour and not go to all the effort of playing. Just as valid as your hypothetical. Hypothetically speaking that is.
RE:my position
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 09:12 PM Permalink
hypothetical situation: ponting bribed bucknor to give more than 10 bad decisions, and just so that it does not seem too unfair, throw in a couple of bad decisions for the aussie team too. (highly possible)
RE:RE:RE:RE:my position
by Bihar Badshah on Jan 08, 2008 10:50 PM Permalink
Fool is also a racist slur..And Mr Jan and Micheal, so far Indians the world 5th largest economical power have accepted all the data that you furnished on your greats..ex Bradman etc...Pls do not make us challenge and open the Pandora box..If we respect your players, try to respect ours or else we have 100 of couter argument that will show the mirror to ur ugly face..Haden your big bully has 29 test 100's, 20 have been in Australia where u have your own umpire and you behave like grey hounds to any visiting side..
RE:RE:my position
by Bihar Badshah on Jan 08, 2008 10:42 PM Permalink
Hypothetically, Aussies PM and foreign ministry got invloved and wrote the script even before indians landed, to save their face on Dr Haneef treatment..That case was so similar where no evidence was producced still govt went ahead and punished him..Very sumch same modulus oprendi that Proctor (an aprthied era product) did...So prove it that is not correct..
RE:my position
by on Jan 08, 2008 09:15 PM Permalink
I assume this means you agree that "hypotheticals" are a silly and childish way to argue. Otherwise you might want to have a cold shower or something.
RE:RE:my position
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 09:17 PM Permalink
thats ok, i wouldnt want to argue with you regarding "childish" or other words you chose to use to undermine my argument or ruffle me.
RE:RE:my position
by Bihar Badshah on Jan 08, 2008 10:05 PM Permalink
Jan don't try to show ur intellect(?) by just raising irrelevant topic..Each and every thing Raj said is what 99% Indians, Pakistani, SriLankans and even 60% aussies readers think..Good job Raj.
RE:RE:my position
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
besides, indians never called the tour off, nor did even harbhajan leave OZ in a huff, he stay put. they were waiting for a fair umpiring and unfair racial abuse accusation to be cleared.
hypothetical situation: symonds and ponting wanted a ban on bhajji for a repeat performance after he first used that m word (and since he got warned there), ponting thought he could get rid of his nemesis once and for all by claiming a racial abuse, he even made symonds officially in charge of inciting him (highly possible they plotted it)
RE:my position
by on Jan 08, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
I think there is a saying that the "most likely explanation is usually correct". In this case, Bajji has admittedly called Symonds a monkey in the past, and 3 Australians now say that they heard him say it again.
Scenario 1 - he slipped up and said it again, regrets it, but clearly things have gone way to far to admit this now.
Scenario 2 - 4 Australians (3 witneses and Ponting) get together and decide that one of the Indian bowlers (not their best bowler, mind you) is a chance of ruinng their lives by maybe helping India win a test match (not even a whole series, mind you) so they get together and formulate a devious plan to sideline this (not quite best) bowler by outright lying, deviously ensuring that no Umpires or microphones were in the vicinity of the conversation, and sticking to their story over hours of hearings and days of press coverage.
Which is more likely? Remembering of course that the Australians involved have no form of reporting/lying in this regard.
RE:my position
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 09:43 PM Permalink
man, im not here to win. im here to place my point. my point first is ... i hate typing :p i'll stop right about here. me posting my point of view wont change your point of view, nor will your point of view be taken in india for sure! i sure had a great conversation here. and i enjoyed a few jokes here. im sorry on behlaf of abusive people here. i might agree with some of those guys , but remember im with them as far as my stand abt india is concerned :)
RE:my position
by on Jan 08, 2008 09:52 PM Permalink
Cheers, always fun to stoush. Personally I am in the "he probably said it by mistake but why oh why report this when so much other stuff is said in the middle" camp. On this view, perhaps a simple apology, dropped complaint and 2 great cricket games would be the best result.
Keep the faith Raj, sport is no fun if there is nothing to argue about!!
RE:my position
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 09:35 PM Permalink
:) for the vast majority they dont even know what a tinfoil hat is. probably only those who'd read slashdot or probably live there. we'd have to import them :p
