I've had to re-write this again as I keep getting reported.
The umpiring in Sydney was poor, no doubt, but losing 3 wickets to a part time bowler. That's what in the end cost India the game. I would love to see India come out firing in the next 2 games to show us all what they're made of. There is nothing more any Australian loves more than a fair and square battle to the wire on a sporting field. Weather Australia's tactics were fair is dubious, but they were legal, other things if they did happen, are not. Whether you like that, that's another case entirely.
Bring on Perth for what I fear will be a onesided win by Australia. I don't want to see us belt everyone all the time (unless it's England of course), nor do many Aussies. We respect the Indians ability greatly. It's unfortunately the reality that they rarely live up to it.
RE:My final 2 cents....
by on Jan 08, 2008 11:24 PM Permalink
Mr. Calvin Corsar ... U have given 4 reprives to Symmonds to score 160 . If he was genuinely a good sportsman he would been dismissed at 30 .. The difference ( take it as given by Umpires) is 130.. Take it as 100.. Similary for Ponting the extra runs given by Umpires are 50 . So the Total difference is 180 runs. With this in mind if you calculate the final result, India would be definitely winning the match ( as no one in indian side was given a reprive by the umpires who scored in big ) .. or atleast they will tie the match... But due this unscrupulours umpiring aided by brash and fearfull appealing of auzzies made a bushman like Mr. Bucknet tremble and give wrong decisions. Don't tell the last 3 wkts fell cheaply hence India lost the match.. If the match was played on merit, India had actually won it... No doubt in that...
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by Srinivas Boorugu on Jan 09, 2008 12:06 AM Permalink
To name a few...Dhoni, Dravid and Sachin from the present team. But surely every player in the wolrd walks when he nicks to the 1'st slip not sure about Aussies and surely Clark will never do that... heights of crazyness.
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by Singh on Jan 08, 2008 10:43 PM Permalink
Agree with most of the things you are saying HOWEVER match was not played only in last one over, it was played over 5 days and all the (at least half a dozen) blatantly wrong decision played a huge huge part in the result
RE:My final 2 cents....
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 10:49 PM Permalink
I wasn't trying to say how the wrong decisions affected the match, was pointing out India should have drawn that game, but blew it. That wasn't anyones fault but their own.
Whether they would have been in that position otherwise is up for debate. There were bad decisions, both ways. India happened to get the worse ones this time.
But they had a BIG chance to draw the game, but folded under the pressure.
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by u r dubakur on Jan 08, 2008 11:24 PM Permalink
Nope not the case. If you would look closely/clearly. India would have won if the bad decisions were to be correct. Open your eyes wide to accept the fact and dont patronize your cry babies(Symo & Punter) and liarrr(Clark M not Clark S)
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by kshitij tumbde on Jan 08, 2008 11:04 PM Permalink
Had the dubious LBW for RP singh gone in favour of India, we could have drawn the game. Are you saying no 10 batsman should not have allowed to hit the ball on his pads? Symonds when he was not given LBW on the hattrick ball from Kumble was as close as RP singh.
Also you come to India, we will show you how spinning wickets in Kanpur and Kolkata will offer India one sided match. Just similar to the wickets you prepare in Perth and Gabba. Thing is India has been offering sporting wickets in India for past few tours and you guys have been offering bouncy tracks at Perth. Dont forget your World 20-20 loss.
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by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 11:15 PM Permalink
16 test wins in a row, 3 world cups in a row...
I think you'll find they happened on many differnt grounds besides the 2 you mention. Also we did come to India and won the last test series there, so I fail to see your point?
man why are u aussies such bad losers.unfortunetly we indians are too decent and humble to be playing in ur australia, were win at all cost-cheat, lie, bully the opposition but win. Our captain was right only one team played in the right spirit of the game and that was India. oh one more thing if u think the indians are gonna take non-sense from someone who are bad losers then let me tell u that is not gonna happen. this century belongs to the indians in every way. sleep well man.
I really think you are missing the point here. I agree with you that Indians couldve batted better and saved the test though i truly believe that the only just outcome shouldve been a draw given the number of chances the aussies got...
However do understand that the Indian team had taken the defeat in their stride. Kumble was unhappy but there was no furore on the evening nor was there reluctance on the part of the Indian team to board the bus to Canberra.
The central issue is not Bucknor or the lost test; it is the ready acceptance of a white match referee Mike Procter to believe 2 white witnesses and disbelieving a brown man.
that is the furore. bucknor is merely a scapegoat. he had a lousy test and did india in, but really he has been dragged int by this racism row.
Thats really the point Prem is making. That while you may call it strong arm etc, it is really not. its a question of justice. The Indians dont see that justice has been done against Harbhajan. At its lowest, it is actually character assasination.
As for living up to, I think we have done pretty well against the aussies. In this test i think we did much better in terms of sheer batting and bowling. but it is difficult to take 28 wickets as opposed to 20 wickets.
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by on Jan 09, 2008 12:13 AM Permalink
Hey Calvin, no disrespect to you or any australian player but everyone is blaming Bhajji, no matter what he said (which is not proved either way), who provoked him, what did Symond said to Bhajji?. In cricket everyone play mind games by saying things that would hurt the batsman and bowlers so they will do some silly mistake. I agree with Imran khan comments that do not behave like a "CRY BABY", and do not run to umpire on every little thing for which you are responsible. Bhajji is not getting dreams to suddenly start saying bad things. If you say something bad to your opponent then you should have a heart to listen same bad things from them. I am not supporting Bhajji or Symond, this is a normal thing which even kids in India follow while playing. Do not fight unnecessarily but if someone cornered you then the best defence is to attack. You mentioned above the your part time bowler took 3 wickets, what was that when Australia was 130 for SIX, should I call them part time batsman, just to defend your own words. Point is Indian was in game everytime since from the start of first day and only start losing touch when empires start batting and fielding for Australia. Even if you try to ball you might have get all the three wickets, because a HUGE damaged was already done by the umpires to the Indian team and it was just a matter of killing a already wounded LION (even an amature hunter can kill a wounded LION but the same hunter wont dare to come face to face when LION is not ch
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by Anil Kumar on Jan 08, 2008 10:31 PM Permalink
You are forgetting that RP Singh%u2019s wicked had enough doubts. The ball was bouncing high and would have barely clipped the bails. On any other day, it would not have been given. I was watching Sky Sports, and even Australian commentators quipped that it was too close to give. Anyway, that is beside the point. Much more happened in this match earlier. So, last 3 overs were just a formality. Even if Indian tailenders had managed a draw, it wouldn%u2019t have made a difference.
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by Anil Kumar on Jan 08, 2008 10:33 PM Permalink
typo: I meant to say ' on any other day it would have not been given as out '
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by Anurag Jain on Jan 08, 2008 11:14 PM Permalink
Nice to read Calvin, that you guys 'respect the Indians' ability greatly'. That they rarely live to it or not does not change the fact that this match was won by the two umpires for your team, and claiming after all this that Australians 'love ...a fair and square battle...on a sporting field', requires, I would say, a great ability to either delude oneself or view others as morons enough to believe it.
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by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 11:17 PM Permalink
If you actually read what I say, you will find that I did question whether Australia's tactics were fair in this game. So if you're going throw abuse, I'd appreciate it to be based on what I actually did say.
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by on Jan 09, 2008 12:20 AM Permalink
let me finish my previous lines..same hunter wont dare to come face to face when the LION is not cheated. I hope you get my point and please dont behave like your team and be honest to yourself at least.
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by Saket B on Jan 08, 2008 11:20 PM Permalink
Kevin, every coutry has a strategy and it is for its management to define that strategy not some random poster. Lets say our strategy was to have great batsmen in front and not expect anything from our tailenders? Maybe we knew a part timer can wipe the tail in an over. Maybe that is why we had Dravid and Saurabh playing the way they did. Maybe RP Singh was in the team to reduce Australia to 200 all out (a part he did very well, until we got bucknored by that token inclusion - Symonds, whose job in the team is probably to incite opposition and than whinge).
The point is Bucknor, Clarke and Punter cheated and that is why we lost. Don't you see - They were down and out in first inning 136/6 till Symonds got 3 decisions? We could certainly win from there. We managed a lead only for Hussey to be given not out. We would win even from there. We were building up in the second inning when Dravid was given out. We could draw from there. Then Ponting gave Ganguli out. All you have to say is it was upto ishant Sharma to draw.
I think it is GOOD that India lost. If it was a draw, India would have forgotten the ozzy behavior and ozzies would carry on. It is good that we lost and a debate is on to operate this cancer from cricket - the vile behavior bordering criminal from ozzies.
Calvin, i do not expect any appreciation of my last lines from you. Given that you are from same culture, it might not even sound wrong to you.
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by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 11:30 PM Permalink
I think people are reading what they want to read. I am quite capable of seeing the truth for myself, and do not condone the Australian's tactics (You will find I have done this many times, but you choose to ignore it).
When you say cheat, the words you are looking for are, made a mistake. Because to believe the unpires cheated to let Australia win defys common sense.
To say Ponting and Clarke cheated over Clarkes catch, is seeing what you want to see, and ignoring your own teams behavour. I can't see if the ball touched the ground or not, and i find it hard to believe you can.
I will say it all again so you all understand, Australia's behavour wasn't good, but it was within the rules as they stand. If the rules need to change, change them. If Harbhajan said what he is accused of, it is against the rules and should be punnished. And none of us could proove that either way.
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by Saket B on Jan 09, 2008 12:21 AM Permalink
Calvin (apoligies for wrong spelling the first time). You harp on "prove bhajji didn't...". Let me ask you this - what is difference between a mistake and cheating? My take - mistakes do not show pattern/bias. Going by your logic, "prove Bucknor did not..."
As per Ponting's call on Ganguli - it was an agreement between captains that grounded catches will be decided by players. All commentrators decided it was doubtful (i thought it was grounded on 2 occassions - but thas besides the point), so why could not punter/Clarke say - "hey, I am not sure". You know why? because doubt means not out. Tell me one commentator who said - wow that was stright out. Indian media says it is not out and Ozzie media says it is doubtful. How come the only one person who is sure about it is punter?
This has been an Australian strategy for some time. Take promises from visiting captains, leave things out of the plate and then, when time comes - do a Brutus!
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by Singh on Jan 08, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
Claiming a bumped catch when there is clear evidence showing that Ponting grounded the ball and he knew it is cheating and ponting should be banned just like Rashid Latif was
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by Srinivas Boorugu on Jan 09, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
Claiming a catch which is clearly a bump ball and appealing for a catch after the ball has been grounded. Clearly, Australians have given new rules to the cricketing world. What does the law state about walking when someone gets bowled? Does he walk then? To call this test match a win, Australians should Hang their head in shame. Surely, u guys should be blind to say that u havn't seen those ball being grounded... come on Calvin.
