Andrew Symmonds is sick and suffers from chronich inferiority complex. He pines for attention from his peers and countrymen, who have ignore him and treat him as a secondary citizen. This is evident from the fact that they never considered him as a captaincy material when he has keen interest and ample ability to do so. This is just case reverse discrimintation.
Finally, we all monkeys at least may be evolved from them. How does this word have any racially demeaning overtone? I believe this is in the eye of the beholder - Symmo's inferiority complex.
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Mohit Jain on Jan 08, 2008 10:30 PM Permalink
Suhas, as Micheal said somewhere below, the term "Monkey" has racial ramifications for the negro race (unlike in India where we use this term jokingly). That is not the point. The point is if Bhajji actually called him a monkey this time. It cannot be proved, so he should not have been penalized. If at all he did call him that after knowing that it has racial implications, the ban is required. But again, it cannot and has not been proved, so he should not have ebeen banned.
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 10:38 PM Permalink
So you and all of India says. But we (all of us) do not know all the facts about what was said, and what evidence there is. And we may never know. So unless it does neither you, nor me can say for certain he didn't say it.
Because as I have said a number of times, prove he didn't.... All the reply I get is there's no proof he did (because again we don't know what proof there is), and around the circle we go again.
But as I said, if India feel aggrieved, everything aside, use it to bloody motivate yourself to belt us next time, but they won't. And you can't see that's your loss, and that of every cricket lover.
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Saket B on Jan 08, 2008 11:34 PM Permalink
Again, you do not understand the culture. Of course we should play to win. however, this Australian argument often repeated by likes of punter, Waugh and Border that sledging should motivate the other team sounds hollow. Please leave it to us what motivates us, DO NOT impose your culture on us. You like sledging, it could be revered part of your culture, maybe your mother taught you (with pride) how to sledge, BUT please use it freely in your domestic matches.
We have so many stupid things that are part of our culture - including beating up sledgers who spoil the game for evreybody. Do we practice upon Australians - NO! So why should you.
Also your point that "prove Harbhajan didn't", heck you don't understand the basic premise of justice. Maybe thats another cultural issue. But legally, I do not see your problem with this issue at all. 1. You can accuse someone of racism, 2. ICC can ban him and 3. BCCI can appeal it. All three points in this process are legal and not just first 2. We are very confident of the final verdict, so we appeal. What could be any problem with that?
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by ummath on Jan 08, 2008 11:48 PM Permalink
so Mr.Corser , in tommorrow's test if any Indian player reports to umpires that they are racially abused will say same words , I am sure u will talk of natural justice which you contradicted till now , so it is by justice systems that one should prove any crime just becoz there is no evidence u cannot confirm somebody guilt.
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Singh on Jan 08, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
Calvin, Logic says that the burden of proof is on the one who is accusing and not on the accused . Its like me accusing you of murdering Mr Invisible and you having to prove that you didn't.
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 10:55 PM Permalink
You are actually proving my point, we don't know what proof their is. And this all started when I pointed out Prem Panicker was misleading you all over the facts of the case. By saying was just 1 persons word against another. When as far as we know there are 2 others at least have said they heard it. That's all.
Other than that, no-one here knows what other proof there might be. But to state that he's innocent when none of know the whole truth, is just showing your ignorance.
Agreed that India is a inferior team compared to Aussies but dude why do Aussies need to use unfair tactics to win any game. Does it mean the day the Aussies become gentlemen they will start loosing.? How do you justify McGraths outburst against Sarawan in the test against WI which WI went on to Win? How many times have you seen Aussies being penalised for their behaviour on the field, Its always the other teams that get penalised. Thats the question here. When other teams show aggression they complain like cry babies to ICC but when they do it its how they play their game.
RE:RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Mohit Jain on Jan 08, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
To your previous point, I know we will not win in Perth, but that does not expnerate you from wrong doings. You can anything just because you are the best team in the world.
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Srinivas Boorugu on Jan 08, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
Hey Calvin, can you please explain me this, say in perth Sachin, Kumble, Dravid and Dhoni accuse Ponting for rascial comments, does procter still give the same verdict to Ponting... your guess is as good as mine. Its about being fair. Claiming a catch which is clearly a bump ball and appealing for a catch after the ball has been grounded. Clearly, Australians have given new rules to the cricketing world. What does the law state about walking when someone gets bowled? Does he walk then? To call this test match a win, Australians should Hang their head in shame
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Singh on Jan 08, 2008 11:51 PM Permalink
Mate, Only and only what umpires heard can be considered as evidence because it all happened on the pitch. Sachin was there and he says he didn't hear it, umpire didn't hear it either and only 1,2 Australian players heard it(thats what they are claiming), all other Aussie players heard from those who heard it. Its all "heresay". You will see that this ban can not stand the appeal. Also, Nobody should have issues with better team winning the match like in first game india was thoroughly outplayed and outclassed by Australia BUT this time India was cheated There is clear video evidence of Ponting claiming a bumped catch as clean catch and this too after he and Kumble agreed to take fielders words for catches like this, unfortunately Australians didn't keep their end of bargain
RE:Andrew is seeking justice
by Prasad Shetty on Jan 08, 2008 11:35 PM Permalink
hey calvin, man u one die hard aussie who wants to back ur team even when u knwo in ur heart that ur team has behaved in the most cowardly way to win a record 16 tests. i really dont knwo what kind of culture u guys have but the indian Law says and I quote "INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY" with all due respects to some of the Australian greats ,man u have to accept that ur this captain Mr Ricky ponting is making ur once great team look like a bunch of wild dogs. wake up man and smell the coffee, we indians are the last people to make racial comments as we were the one who beared the English whites for 190 years. Ur this aussie team has some great player but they are being led by a coward, arrogant lier who is gonna bring the game into a lot of disrepute.Instead of justifying ur teams action U should be more worried of how the aussie team and ur countries culture is being seen by the non-australians.Winning is important but not at all cost. cheers
