Sourav Ganguly WAS a great player. Gone are his golden days and most of his shots y'day where either edges or leg byes. It was again funny to see him getting run out. Don't forget the catch which he dropped off Yousuf who ended up making 83 with a SR of 100. Sachin took two wickets but failed with bat. Zaheer khan was very expensive. It is not quit clear that ganguly is playing for his place in the team. Getting out on 30s and 40s and then getting ducks on the following innings is not a sign of GREAT player. Something BCCI Dhoni needs to do in future matches : * Remove Sachin, Zaheer and Ganguly for at least this ODI series. * Give chance to Rohit Sharma and Praveen Kumar. Unless the youngster gets chances how would they establish themselves in the international arena?? * Gambhir and Uthappa should open. If Uthappa or Gambhir fails, Praveen Kumar can open the way he opens for Uttar Pradesh. * Irfan Pathan should bowl his natural swingers rather than the let or off cutters. This would help him in Australia also. * Uthappa should understand his responsibilities and play sensibly long innings.
We need some consistent performers like Symonds and Hayden and no paper tigers like ganguly and tendulkar. Time to try for some
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by Abhishek on Nov 06, 2007 09:44 AM Permalink
all's fine tell me one thing why sachin every time yaar how many times he need to prove himself. he took those 2 wickets for you. In last 3 series how many matches he won for you bas karo yaar maf karo usse.
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by ram kumar on Nov 06, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
Hey Usman. You wanted Sachin, Zaheer & Sourav removed for this ODI series. Why do u say this? As far as Sachin & Sourav are concerned their current (last 5 innings) form is good enough to retain them in the squad. I believe that the youngsters should be played more on rotation basis till such time that they have had consistency in their performance. Mind you if you throw the youngsters like Rohit and Praveen in the middle just like that, and god forbid if they fail, their morale would receive a huge beating (with the selectors being inconsistent anything can happen). Let them have a couple of series of exposure to big time cricket. And your comments about Irfan Pathan's bowling? A bowler cannot bowl only inswingers or off cutters on the coin every ball. He needs to adapt himself according to the situation. Otherwise he becomes very predictable. If you want Irfan to be a better bowler, please do not criticize him. You cannot judge a player because of one bad day. I wonder would you be OK with your company throwing you out because of one mistake of yours?. When you want a chance to given again and again to prove yourself. Why not the players. If these guys come up with good performance in the subsequent matches, mind you, you will end up biting your own fingers. As far as Uthappa is concerned, you say that he should understand his responsibilities. Well he is just on the way up. He is getting good starts. He needs to concentrate. And also he gets to bat only during the latter
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by Usman Ali on Nov 06, 2007 08:06 AM Permalink
Muslim name doesnt mean tht every muslim is a paki mr jayachandranravi. I dont like to insult or comment anyone based on his caste, creed or religion. I have mentioned some facts and I m sure at least some people would agree to me. Let's be united Mr.Ravi instead of abusing each other by religion
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by Kamal on Nov 06, 2007 08:48 AM Permalink
Like you honest analysis and more importantly attitude.., you are an example for rest to follow....
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by T a s i n on Nov 06, 2007 08:39 AM Permalink
Usman, i agree fully to ur comments.. gangu n tendu r a real liability now.. I wish better sense prevails on the troika of 3 seniors n they step down gracefully.. And ur restraint in commenting back on Jeyachandranranravi shows u r a gentleman :)
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by Chandra CS on Nov 06, 2007 08:22 AM Permalink
Usman Mian, I agree with you. As we say these days 'ULTI GANGA BAH RAHEE HAI' similarily its 'ghun ke saath now a days gehu pis raha hai'. Your comments are harsh but truely fit for great players like Gangu and Tendu. Its high time that these players quit cricket gracefully and be respected always, otherwise few other Ravi Shastris are in the making.
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by BHUSHAN PARAB on Nov 06, 2007 09:40 AM Permalink
Dont you guys have any other work, have you scrapeed your mother & father because they have stopeed producing further.... These guys are still doing good.... would you take new mother & father just because they are yound & needs to be given chance... Moderator dont report this for abuse there is nothing like it
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by TandooriRasamKadhi rosgula on Nov 06, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
People keep bringing up the number of runs ganguly made this year, but nobody cares how the runs were scored. Most of the games he scored the runs, India lost. Since his return to ODIs, Ganguly has the worst strike rates in the Indian top order. He is the worst fielder and runner BTW. He is not the Same Great Ganguly anymore. He should be rested first..
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by Usman Ali on Nov 06, 2007 08:41 AM Permalink
100% true. I bet you that if Rohit, Badrinath, Praveen Kumar r given the amount of opportunities that Sehwag, Sachin, Ganguly, Agarkar and the grat Ramesh Powar has got, they could be far far more better than these people.
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by Ashim Manna on Nov 06, 2007 09:31 AM Permalink
Where you got this information. if make own that ok. But if you see statistic then you can realize your decision making strength (soooo poor).
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by SJD on Nov 06, 2007 08:04 AM Permalink
I agree with you. India won 1st ODI b'z sachin failed. Otherwise he would have played like a test match and sure made some personal records. But India would have lost. Thanks to pakistan bowlers to get rid of Sachin very early, which helped India's victory.
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by Subramanian on Nov 06, 2007 08:34 AM Permalink
Good , I agree with Mr.Ali and SJD. again and again telling Sachin play only whenever he faces critisies and avoid to drop by selector.
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by krish nan on Nov 06, 2007 08:44 AM Permalink
Hi Usman, Great . what you are written is absolutely correct. Except Gambhir, he is too flashy at the start of the innings all the times. I want shewag in my team. [somebody insulted you as paki or muslim . but dont worry about that , u r having good cricket knowledge, hats off for your comments ]
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by supandi on Nov 06, 2007 08:39 AM Permalink
Usman Bhai, Send your suggestions to BCCI. They are looking to fill some positions, you'll surely hold good chance.
If everybody starts giving suggestions like this, world will be a very chaotic place.
BTW, none of your suggestions hold merit. It'd have been interesting if any one of Gambhir's catches were held and few more wkts would have tumbled.
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by ram kumar on Nov 06, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
Absolutely Supandi:)) Usman's suggestions (sigh we have people as incompetent as him giving suggestions about in swingers and off cutters) make absolutely NO sense. In fact its NONSENSE.
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by Usman Ali on Nov 06, 2007 08:43 AM Permalink
There's no place for If's and but's in cricket supandi. Let me remind you India is a democratic country and everyone has a right to express his view. Thats what I m doing. Some jealous people r not ready to digest the fact that youngsters won T20 world cup for us and are far more talented than these old horses. The only problem is that they dont get these many opportunities
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by chrsvd pavan kumar on Nov 06, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
T20 is a different ball game altogether dear Usman. Gambhir was slashing outside the off stump and was dropped twice. On the other hand - i guess you watched the match - Ganguly was freely stroking and sometimes making room to lift the ball over the fielders. The Six is the evidence. Moreover, an opener was out and the other has to stick around. Whenever Sachin was out early, he was trying to hang around. And when Sachin was scoring at the other end, still he was trying to hang around. That's what made these two the best opening pair in this form of the cricket. Abusing these old horses for the sake of abusing and for the sake of attention is definitely not right. The discussion should be healthy and fact oriented. And regarding strike rate, Ganguly in his prime was having a strike rate of around 75 plus and now it is 70. This strike rate is not bad for an opener in 50 over matches for sure. No opener has succeeded in his absence even after repeated chances, that includes Gautam Gambhir too. Yes, there was a slump in Ganguly 3 yrs back & he should have been dropped then itself. Better late than never, he was dropped and dropped for good. He came out winner. Let Sachin and Ganguly combo play for some 2 yrs more on rotation and guide the youngsters. This is good for the youngsters to learn out of these experienced players. As of now it is a nice combination of both experience and youth.
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by BHUSHAN PARAB on Nov 06, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
USMAAAN Tu sacchi me paki hi hai... then why are u not demanding pontings head.. even he didnt scored more than sachin & ganguly in that series.. You know just by bashing sachin you will get instant fame... hamesha dusron ke meherbani pe jeete aye ho... abhi to sudharo... kya iskeliye bhi america se paisa aya hai... jis tarah se tu sachin ki burai ka haq rakhta hai usi tarah maine teri burai ke hai usman... agar hai dam to abuse mat kar aur aja maidan me.
