Oh and Paul Ron, I assume that you eat sandwiches with your "civilized" utensils as well...we Indians have the guts to admit when our boys have not done well, all you have is a penchant for making remarks that have no bearing on the game..I shudder to think if "civilized" means having no morals, being racist and having no knowledge of other cultures, then we are better off being the way we are. Your civilized country is out there killing innocents in Iraq too like the US. Aussie loser pick up a book, your country was formed for the scum of England, that they had no room for...culture indeed!