JGN you are right again i accept, today when we talk of great people who lived before u me our ancestors were born we tell this person was born to so and so, that was said that day so till this day and will be said till the name of that person is taken, as beacuse he was born before we were born his mother does not change, it is same way watt is that religion whose followers forsake it with time, it is as if forgoting mother after we grow old, think sense talk sense.