Do you call slavery and anihilation of natives to be civilisation ?Well the Romans and greek were indeed barbaric,since their own and our people testemony is their for us to read.Its for no reason yavans were called barbaric(alexarender included).But christains even have betean that record,for few christains fead to animals,they burned millions who did not convert,dashed out heads of many children,took captives many natives children in boarding schools order to teach the natives a lesson or two.You can read this in todays news regarding australia.But you will not attribute these crimes to christainity but to bad christains. Afterall christainity is most perfect religion and christains can be bad is your logic,which you want us to accept,same like the muslims.