ahh feels kind of stupid, I thought venkat meant me as "the bugger" as I was trying to have a reasonable debate with you(Piyush)..sorry to venkat and I guess I would report my own statement for abuse....anyway piyush its nothing against you brother, what you think is right and I am sure you felt hurt by the words used in the article. I would never question that. and people like me being at the places that matter, would always have a person like you to keep them in check. For me the last statement you wrote makes you win the argument(the one right above this one)and it made a lot of sense. Have a great day piyush.