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continued: please allow me to clear some misconceptions
by wada pav on Mar 06, 2007 08:45 PM

'Savage' is yet another derogatory word they invented to describe all indegenous people.

8. In the western world, they had their own version of casteism, they had Lords , Nobles and commons, and Lords and Nobles had more priviledges than commons.They had separate churches , burial grounds etc and the lords/nobles did not marry commons. ' House of Lords' and 'House of Commons' in UK is a silent reminder of their dodgy past.
I don't think the lords/nobles bowed and greeted commons!

9. In India many Saints came from backward Castes.Iam not an expert,but here are a few I remember, from my limited reading. btw none of them wrote/spoke english

Rishi Valmiki who wrote Ramayan : Caste : Koli / Fisherman
Sant Tukaram: caste : Vani (Baniya ) /shopkeeper
Sant Namdev : Caste : Shimpi / tailor
Sant Gora Kumbhar : Caste : Kumbhar/ Pot maker
Sant Savta Mali : Caste: Mali / Gardener
Sant Chokha Mela : Caste : Mahar ( same caste as Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar )
Sant Sena Nhavi: Caste : Nhavi / Barber
Sant Narayan Guru from Kerala also belonged to a backward caste.

This proves that even if you are from backward caste , the doors are not shut for you. you can still succeed and if you are capable people will follow you and worship you. you also need to put some effort of your own though.

How many christian/english saints were commoners before being 'appointed' as saints by the pope ? if iam not mistaken many Pirates , thieves were made 'saints' by the pope because they served the interests of Christianity i.e looting Moorish/muslim ships , helping fight protestants etc.

10. English was the language used during slavery , the church of england benefited immensely from the slave trade as they used to get a share of the profits. after slavery was abolished , they invented 'indentured labour' ,indians were taken to work in near-slavery like
conditions in Mauritiaus, carribean where they had to toil in sugarcane fields. the language was english.

so its not the language that dictates attitude. language is just a vehicle to convey your attitude.
any language can be misused for that purpose. If Mr Prasad lived in UK / US he would realise that knowledge of english will not save him from rascism. his skin colour will matter there.

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