Age and amnesia have got the better of Brigadier (retd) Shaukat Qadir. Do I have to remind him that not even the soviets had the MiG-23 way back in 1965 bcos this aircraft entered service with the soviets in 1971. This means that whatever Brigadier (retd) Shaukat Qadir has written in his articles so far is all gibberish and I am surprised about the fact that rediff has gone ahead and published all this gibberish there by helping the pakistani officer to spread a false propoganda of the 1965 war. No matter how hard you try to conceal from the world your defeat in the 1965 war, Brigadier (retd) Shaukat Qadir, you conscience knows the true outcome of the war. YOU PAKISTANIS SUFFERED A HUMILIATING DEFEAT AT OUR HANDS, Brigadier (retd) Shaukat Qadir.