Sorry for commenting in this forum....thought ppl commenting knew what is cinema.....Terence,from ur comment it's clear that any film sans "special effects,songs,dance,vulgar, and hero killing villain at the end" is a good film...this is what I mean when I say that filmmakers are successful in convincing u that what they make is good cinema...good cinema is much much more than these. I, to some extent, accept that Paruthiveeran, mozhi, veyil, anjaathe, chennai-28, kalloori etc. are "decent" films...in the sense that they genuinely attempt to move away from commercial crap to the "real" cinema...still a long way to go. 'Coz these films lack the refinement or content or character that films like (in tamizh)azhiyadha kolangal, udhiripookal, agraharathil kazhudhai, sandhya raagam, veedu, 16 vayadhinilae, mullum malarum, iruvar (to name a few)etc. have, if u know what i mean. If u feel the films mentioned by u r good, please watch the films by Ritwik Ghatak, Satyajit ray, Mrinal Sen, Adoor Gopalakrishnan, Rituparno ghosh, john Abraham, MTV Nair, KG George, Girish kasaravalli, Shyam Benagal, Balu Mahendra, Mahendran etc...most of them from Bengal or Kerala. Their films are a 100 times, 1000 times more refined than the so called "good films" mentioned by u. Watch their films and u'll appreciate good cinema. Not to discriminate anyone...just out of interest that India should make more better films.