Dravid as captain has the support of Kapildev, imran khan and gavaskar, gayekwad About retaining Dravid as the captain, Kapil said: %u201CWhy are we forgetting that this is the same Rahul Dravid who led India to victory while chasing 17 matches in a row, setting a new record. Why did not anybody question his captaincy then? http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070326/asp/sports/story_7566131.asp Matching orders http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/quickiearticleshow/msid-1807342.cms Gavaskar who was of the view that Dravid should continue as the captain despite the World Cup debacle.
"Rahul is 34 and you do not sack captains at 34 when they are peaking. I don't see any reason for a change because Dravid has not shown any sign of pressure. His batting has not faltered", he said. http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1803820.cms Dravid and Chappell should be allowed to continue Imran Khan http://sify.com/khel/wc_fullstory.php?id=14416168 About retaining Dravid as the captain, Kapil said: %u201CWhy are we forgetting that this is the same Rahul Dravid who led India to victory while chasing 17 matches in a row, setting a new record. Why did not anybody question his captaincy then? http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070326/asp/sports/story_7566131.asp Don't sack Rahul By: anshuman gaekwad March 26, 2007 The man who was sacked as coach after India%u2019s 1999 World Cup disappointment, calls for patience The first thing to do now is to stick with Rahul Dravid as captain. He is a good leader and the best available option in the current circumstances. The other options could be Virender Sehwag and Yuvraj Singh. http://mid-day.com/sports/international/2007/march/154192.htm Dravid is a leader, says chief selector http://www.rediff.com/wc2007/2007/mar/28dilip.htm He is an experienced campaigner and has all the leadership qualities," Vengsarkar told national daily Times of India on Wednesday. Vengsarkar recalled former Australia captain Richie Benaud's 'Batsmen let Dravid down' Gundappa Viswanath.
Dravid's captaincy has nothing to do with India's ouster from the World Cup in the preliminary round itself. It's not his fault. We lost to Bangladesh and Sri Lanka not due to his captaincy. It's his batsmen who let him down http://inwww.rediff.com/wc2007/2007/mar/28inter.htm Don't blame Dravid and Chappell http://www.rediff.com/wc2007/2007/mar/28more.htm
Reasons why Dravid should stay captain http://www.hindustantimes.in/htcricket/74_1959563.htm Four Phases of Dravid India's World Cup defeat is history Three Contenders (After 65 ODIs) Names Matches Won Lost Drawn/Tied Won% SR Tendulkar 65 22 36 6/1 33.85% SC Ganguly 65 33 32 ; 0 50.77% R Dravid 65 33 28 4 50.77%
http://www.hindustantimes.in/htcricket/74_1959563.htm Four Phases of Dravid as ODI Captain
RE:dravid has support of many kapil, gaikwad, gavsakr
by Indra Sengupta on Mar 29, 2007 08:23 PM Permalink
RE:some players ditched captian and betrayed team by Indra Sengupta on Mar 29, 2007 08:16 PM Dravid scoed 14 and 7 against Bangladesh and Bermuda respectively- great player!!! Dravid scored 81 runs in aggegate. Gnguly scored 161 in aggregate!!! Ganguly slow player! Most of them are not even that!! Scoop- Videocon has removed Rahul from the advertisement!!! Sachin and Dhoni were also removed. Team India ha ha ha. Destroyed Destroyed and Destroyed, by jealous More, ambitious Rahul and crooked Chappel. Cry India cry, Cry like you cry at bereavement. Cry and cry, Let warm tears roll down your cheek and you take a vow to appreciate the real leader and the patriot and vehemently protest the incompetence and non performance of the blown up heros.
RE:dravid has support of many kapil, gaikwad, gavsakr
by karan on Mar 29, 2007 09:18 PM Permalink
The Deserved should be Saluted:Not the Traitors!
There comes a traitor Bong once again.India hasn't included your Sourav in its squad for a test World Cup.Now you got to know whois the most selfish&jealous of them all-none other than your very own Dada.Was he playing so slowly in the opening match because the opposition was your very own Bong Dada-Bangladesh?How much did he score in that crunch match against the Lankans hitting that reckless shot? But here you got it right-Ganguly is the lone one preferred by AD agencies.Its neither Rahul,Sachin nor Dhoni-its Dada-remember he'd appeared in a pepsi commercial even when he was out of the team-money matters you know? Well,Rahul was inSansui,not Videocon! The likes of Sachin,Rahul,Dhoni etc are just ambitious agreed-you got to be ambitious is the biggest treasure that every sportsperson should posses.But Sourav jealous,couldn't withstand the love&support offerd to Sachin by the fans,traitor-backstabbed at the most crucial moment thus taking revenge,snob-who considered him the greatest&couldn't take humiliation of playing under a person whom he had captained-very clever&tricky minded-truly Shakespeare' Iago in every sense! You Mr Sengupta,by posting this message&demanding the Indians to cry proved yourself to be another traitor.
RE:RE:dravid has support of many kapil, gaikwad, gavsakr
by Soman Bhat on Mar 29, 2007 10:08 PM Permalink
saala faltu karan kahaka hai tu! orya bhut hoga shayad. sengupta aisa aadmi hai jo sahi likhta hai.
RE:dravid has support of many kapil, gaikwad, gavsakr
by karan on Mar 29, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
Hats off !Nice stats!When others ditched why should the captain be blamed.
RE:dravid has support of many kapil, gaikwad, gavsakr
by sahil bhat on Mar 30, 2007 02:30 AM Permalink
dravid vs ganguly during india's dismal WC campaign against sri lanka. dravid wins hands down..dravid's fighting knock stands out which included four consecutive fours in an over.The appalling way in which ''oh my god:( of off side'' played triggered the collapse. bottom line no more bongs(born losers) in indian cricket team. more of dravids uthappas and kumbles
RE:dravid has support of many kapil, gaikwad, gavsakr
by Anindita Mukherjee on Mar 30, 2007 06:42 AM Permalink
Sahil your message is shocking, how xan you attack Sri Indra Sengupta in such a language. How do you bring Bongs into the picture and conclude that no Bengali should be taken in the team. This is sheerly regional and meaning less.
RE:dravid has support of many kapil, gaikwad, gavsakr
by krrish on Mar 29, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
Media should not blame the cricketer. Instead India played better if you see the statistics of Rahul's captainship outside the subcontinent(India, Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh). Match played=17, won=5, lost=11, no result=1 Winning ratio=29.4% In the world cup India played better with winning ratio=33.3%. At the time of Ganguly's captainship (in 78 matches )India won nearly 53.8% match outside the subcontinent.
Ganguly as captain outside the subcontinent Match played=78, won=42, lost=34, no result=2 Winning ratio=53.8%
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by karan on Mar 29, 2007 08:09 PM Permalink
Krrish,it was shown in a recent analyses that Rahul is superior to Ganguly as captain for the lone reason that while Rahul's victories came against the stalwarts,Ganguly's was mostly against smaller teams.
RE:dravid has support of many kapil, gaikwad, gavsakr
by Suman bhat on Mar 30, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
ganguly was captain for 5yrs a lengthier period and dravid is leading side from last 16 months. so more matches played under ganguly captaincy can dravid lead side for equal no matches? it was dravid kumble, laxman and sachin contributed lot to ganguly's success more than his leadership qulity. ganguly took the credit for hard work of other players but dravid atleast shared credit of victory with his teammates. dravid acceped his responsiblity for defeat infront of media Had ganguly ever did likethat? when team lost matches he was pushing dravid to conduct press briefs??? so achievement of five yrs can not be acheieved in 16 months still the diff between winning average is only 1% Captaincy myth Ganguly -5 yrs Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain
out of 147 matches India won 76 (51.70%) lost 66 (44.90%) Tie or no results 5(3.40%) won 74 (50.34%)
But Saurav captained 34 ODI against minnows Bangla Desh Zimbabwe Namibia Kenya Netherlands Canada etc%u2026..
Dravid %u2013 16 months Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when Dravid was captian
India won 33 (50.77%) lost 28 (43.08%)no result/ tie 4 (6.15%)
But Dravid captained ot 65 matches captained only two ODI against minnows i.e. Bangladesh and Bermuda He is match winner in both forms at home and aboroad.
Winning or defeat in matches depends on performance of XI players irrespective of captain, coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example It is not dravid but gnaguly sachin harbjanand dhoni should be out of team. some players delieberatley palyed negative cricket and dtiched dravid.and betrayed team. If players are not ready to support team cause what capatain can do for that It is up to individual players to deciede that play for team then support captain? why did not criticse harbajans bowling wktless in 2 games sachin complete failuer with bat dhoni faile in batting and was laughing after dropping catch, ganguly is main culprit played a big role in defeat and took revengae agaisnt dravid and chappel he could not have got big event like WCganguly wasted more balls than the runs he scored. The strikerate and average of bangadesh and other country opening players are better when compared to ganguly averagel His poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada he scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Tendulkar scored a duck, Ganguly 7 in 23 balls and Yuvraj 6? Dhoni 0?( match against srilanka) All is these playrs contributed to team defeat why u blame coach and captain only. I
Dravid was criticsed by chief selector and board members and ex cricketers but he was highest rungetter, and scored 100 and won mom. Other players din not score 100 against even Bermuda also dravid was only batsman struggling agianst SL the match was crucial and all other batamanss went to pavilion by gtting out silly shots IF Captain and coach should go, then all players like sahin, ganguly, dhoni, harbajan, agarkar should be out. If team were win , except dravid all other 10 players would hv come forward to take credit. Why they should be spared when team had defeat???? A BACK STAGE POLITICS TO DITCH CAPTAIN AND BETRAY TEAM. WHO IS RUNNING IN FRONT FOR THE CAPTAINCY??? Team lolst to banladesh when ganguly was captain. Team did not win siires in SA when ganguly was captain It is same situation. 2 yrs back team lost series in Srilanka and ganguly reappointed as captain to Zim tour. And ganguly was praised team won series even dravid was captain Now next tour is of bangadesh and even after recent defeat, team Ind is going to win series. So change in captaincy to project ganguly good captain dravid poor captian U don;%u2019t think even team would have won series against bangadesh ZIm even dravid leads team?? Captaincy myth Ganguly -5 yrs Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain
out of 147 matches India won 76 (51.70%) lost 66 (44.90%) Tie or no results 5(3.40%) won 74 (50.34%)
But Saurav captained 34 ODI against minnows Bangla Desh Zimbabwe Namibia Kenya Netherlands Canada etc%u2026..
Dravid %u2013 16 months Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when Dravid was captian
India won 33 (50.77%) lost 28 (43.08%)no result/ tie 4 (6.15%)
But Dravid captained ot 65 matches captained only two ODI against minnows i.e. Bangladesh and Bermuda
VC sachin failed with bat but ganguly scored runs but wasted more balls and his poor fielding, running btw wkt cost more runs to team and gifted match to Bangladesh herbajan wkt less dhoni is a complete failure. He was laughing evn after dropping catch even one win would have taken team to S.legue and there was no change in captaicy and odi winning average differen very just 1% when compared dravids 's 16 months captaincy with ganguly's 5 yrs achievement. Back stage politics who names are forefront in captaincy race???
RE:some players ditched dravid and betrayed team
by karan on Mar 29, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
Very Very well written!Keep it up.Even though there were grammatic mistakes,you were able to convey your message successfully!
RE:RE:some players ditched dravid and betrayed team
by Soman Bhat on Mar 29, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
chor ka support mein pick pocket saala kaala kutta takla orya
RE:some players ditched dravid and betrayed team
by Suman Bhat on Mar 30, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
looser abusing msg shows u r sic person need shock treatment
RE:some players ditched dravid and betrayed team
by Indra Sengupta on Mar 29, 2007 08:24 PM Permalink
RE:some players ditched captian and betrayed team by Indra Sengupta on Mar 29, 2007 08:16 PM Dravid scoed 14 and 7 against Bangladesh and Bermuda respectively- great player!!! Dravid scored 81 runs in aggegate. Gnguly scored 161 in aggregate!!! Ganguly slow player! Most of them are not even that!! Scoop- Videocon has removed Rahul from the advertisement!!! Sachin and Dhoni were also removed. Team India ha ha ha. Destroyed Destroyed and Destroyed, by jealous More, ambitious Rahul and crooked Chappel. Cry India cry, Cry like you cry at bereavement. Cry and cry, Let warm tears roll down your cheek and you take a vow to appreciate the real leader and the patriot and vehemently protest the incompetence and non performance of the blown up heros.
RE:some players ditched dravid and betrayed team
by Suman bhat on Mar 30, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
IT is ganguly main culprit for india defeat and sebotage the Wc campaign.there is politcs and groupism after his return. He took revenge and ditched dravid. and forgotten dravid's contribution to his success as captian ganguly was captain for 5yrs a lengthier period and dravid is leading side from last 16 months. so more matches played under ganguly captaincy can dravid lead side for equal no matches? it was dravid kumble, laxman and sachin contributed lot to ganguly's success more than his leadership qulity. ganguly took the credit for hard work of other players but dravid atleast shared credit of victory with his teammates. dravid acceped his responsiblity for defeat infront of media Had ganguly ever did likethat? when team lost matches he was pushing dravid to conduct press briefs??? so achievement of five yrs can not be acheieved in 16 months still the diff between winning average is only 1% Captaincy myth Ganguly -5 yrs Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain
out of 147 matches India won 76 (51.70%) lost 66 (44.90%) Tie or no results 5(3.40%) won 74 (50.34%)
But Saurav captained 34 ODI against minnows Bangla Desh Zimbabwe Namibia Kenya Netherlands Canada etc%u2026..
Dravid %u2013 16 months Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when Dravid was captian
India won 33 (50.77%) lost 28 (43.08%)no result/ tie 4 (6.15%)
But Dravid captained ot 65 matches captained only two ODI against minnows i.e. Bangladesh and Bermuda He is match winner in both forms at home and aboroad.
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by karan on Mar 29, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
The Deserved should be Saluted:Not the Traitors!
There comes a traitor Bong once again.India hasn't included your Sourav in its squad for a test World Cup.Now you got to know whois the most selfish&jealous of them all-none other than your very own Dada.Was he playing so slowly in the opening match because the opposition was your very own Bong Dada-Bangladesh?How much did he score in that crunch match against the Lankans hitting that reckless shot? But here you got it right-Ganguly is the lone one preferred by AD agencies.Its neither Rahul,Sachin nor Dhoni-its Dada-remember he'd appeared in a pepsi commercial even when he was out of the team-money matters you know? Well,Rahul was inSansui,not Videocon! The likes of Sachin,Rahul,Dhoni etc are just ambitious agreed-you got to be ambitious is the biggest treasure that every sportsperson should posses.But Sourav jealous,couldn't withstand the love&support offerd to Sachin by the fans,traitor-backstabbed at the most crucial moment thus taking revenge,snob-who considered him the greatest&couldn't take humiliation of playing under a person whom he had captained-very clever&tricky minded-truly Shakespeare' Iago in every sense! You Mr Sengupta,by posting this message&demanding the Indians to cry proved yourself to be another traitor.
RE:some players ditched dravid and betrayed team
by krrish on Mar 29, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
Media should not blame the cricketer. Instead India played better if you see the statistics of Rahul's captainship outside the subcontinent(India, Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh). Match played=17, won=5, lost=11, no result=1 Winning ratio=29.4% In the world cup India played better with winning ratio=33.3%. At the time of Ganguly's captainship (in 78 matches )India won nearly 53.8% match outside the subcontinent. Ganguly as captain outside the subcontinent Match played=78, won=42, lost=34, no result=2 Winning ratio=53.8%
We should realize the difference why country like AUS,RSA are improved lot in cricket and why not IND now a days. Those country people will take cricket as fun and enjoy it but the players will be serious in field to make crowd to enjoy. But in IND people will take seriously and players will enjoy and not in serious in field.
And moreover in Indian team there are lot of problems like politics, Misunderstanding, etc.
Maximum of indian team players we can see are highly influenced and recommended. Not really Talented players. Most of players don't like south indian to be in the team. imagine how when the captain is from south. This may be one of the reasons why we lost the chance in WC and senior players not shown maximum effort to play well.
Here are comments about the WC team players
1) Sehwag (After married not playing cricket in front of crowd) 2) Ganguly (Wants to prove Chappel was wrong about him so concentrating to be in middle instead of scoring and make team to win) 3) Uthappa ( Need some experience) 4) Dravid (Great Player not as a captain) 5) Sachin (no idea when he will do job with bat but still can be in team to boost others and bowl) 6) Yuvaraj (Good player and as Chappel said he think he is star and head weight) 7) Dhoni(There is lot to tell about him. He will play only in INDIA and not with strong team out side india he never played and he will not he can be good player only in india that too only in Ranjiiis. Better he can go for modeling) 8) Harbajan ( Needs some competition for his place then he will play properly) 9) Agarkar (No other senior bowler except Zah that%u2019s why he is in team) 10) Munaf (Good if the super sub option comes again and allow only to bowl ten overs not to field when others bowling) 11) Zaheer (Looking for aggressive partner)
If I am in selection panel my team will be like this..
1) Uthappa 2) Sachin 3) Dravid 4) Kaif (C) (I think when he was captain U19 team WON WC) 5) Yuvaraj 6) Raina 7) Karthik 8) Pathan 9) Harbajan 10) Zaheer 11) Sreesanth (Can become like Donald. He is aggressive in every ball)
Sachin,Yuvaraj,Raina should be the Fourth or fifth or sixth bowler If they want to be in team. Couch: Sachin (for batting) Kaif& Yuvraj (Fielding) If all agreed Akram (For bowling)
reserve Players:
1) Gambir 2) sehwag 3) Badrinath 4) Dhoni 5) RP singh 6) Piyush 7) Some fast bowler (like Bret lee or Akther or Shane bond or Malinga)
Be a batsman or bowler or feilder they have to realize their professionalism and perform well other wise not eligible to be in team.
not sure this will not happen in indian cricket but lets try to change.
RE:Relax guys
by TeamIndia on Mar 29, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Oye Kannan, who are you to change the team composition? Nobody can separate us. You did not appoint us.
We should realize the difference why country like AUS,RSA are improved lot in cricket and why not IND now a days. Those country people will take cricket as fun and enjoy it but the players will be serious in field to make crowd to enjoy. But in IND people will take seriously and players will enjoy and not in serious in field.
And moreover in Indian team there are lot of problems like politics, Misunderstanding, etc.
Maximum of indian team players we can see are highly influenced and recommended. Not really Talented players. Most of players don't like south indian to be in the team. imagine how when the captain is from south. This may be one of the reasons why we lost the chance in WC and senior players not shown maximum effort to play well.
Here are comments about the WC team players
1) Sehwag (After married not playing cricket in front of crowd) 2) Ganguly (Wants to prove Chappel was wrong about him so concentrating to be in middle instead of scoring and make team to win) 3) Uthappa ( Need some experience) 4) Dravid (Great Player not as a captain) 5) Sachin (no idea when he will do job with bat but still can be in team to boost others and bowl) 6) Yuvaraj (Good player and as Chappel said he think he is star and head weight) 7) Dhoni(There is lot to tell about him. He will play only in INDIA and not with strong team out side india he never played and he will not he can be good player only in india that too only in Ranjiiis. Better he can go for modeling) 8) Harbajan ( Needs some competition for his place then he will play properly) 9) Agarkar (No other senior bowler except Zah that%u2019s why he is in team) 10) Munaf (Good if the super sub option comes again and allow only to bowl ten overs not to field when others bowling) 11) Zaheer (Looking for aggressive partner)
If I am in selection panel my team will be like this..
1) Uthappa 2) Sachin 3) Dravid 4) Kaif (C) (I think when he was captain U19 team WON WC) 5) Yuvaraj 6) Raina 7) Karthik 8) Pathan 9) Harbajan 10) Zaheer 11) Sreesanth (Can become like Donald. He is aggressive in every ball)
Sachin,Yuvaraj,Raina should be the Fourth or fifth or sixth bowler If they want to be in team. Couch: Sachin (for batting) Kaif& Yuvraj (Fielding) If all agreed Akram (For bowling)
reserve Players:
1) Gambir 2) sehwag 3) Badrinath 4) Dhoni 5) RP singh 6) Piyush 7) Some fast bowler (like Bret lee or Akther or Shane bond or Malinga)
Be a batsman or bowler or feilder they have to realize their professionalism and perform well other wise not eligible to be in team.
not sure this will not happen in indian cricket but lets try to change.
RE:Relax guys
by Soman Bhat on Mar 29, 2007 10:03 PM Permalink
Kana saala blind in one eye yah bhi chala aya. saala third class kala madrasi. saala ghatiya daru pita hai aur message karta hai. yeh saala low caste madrasi hai jaroor
RE:Relax guys
by karan on Mar 29, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
Good team indeed!But why not Powar instead of Harbhajan?Kaif will do excellent captaincy comared to Yuvi.Will the forgotten hero-Balaji stand a chance?
come on guys, just give them a break... Anything can happen in this game of cricket... World cup is not everything... Ofcourse i agree that they disappointed us... But we should not demotivate them... Let them do ads , take rest... The Indian team which was sent to the world cup was perfect expcept that Sreesanth or Pathan should have played in the place of Agarkar... This is the only bad decision and India took Bangladesh very lightly....
RE:come on guys
by karan on Mar 29, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
Absolutely Right!Very well said!Team India indeed need our support at at this stage,I agree.
Sachin Tendulkar.Master blaster.Wonder boy.Tiger on Indian dead pitches.Now a new fancy of BCCI as new captain.This paper tiger will shamelessly play for Indian against weak Bangladesh On dead pitches and will score tons of runs.Again he will be hyped by all of us, Media.He will add to his personal records.will score another 2/3 hundreds.A paper tiger will beocme true tiger against Bangladesh.gavaskars,kapildevs,Shastris will again praise words for him.We all will be fooled.He will get another scores of advts.This will continue.When real time comes outside side, the same paper tiger will make nakharas of fitness,and then find excuses and every one says that we can not expect 100 every time from him.Surely not against Australia or South Africa.This will contnue.nothing will change.So welcome back Sachin.take rest.u r not going to loose anything.But our Pride.who cares nations Pride.
RE:Remove Seniors
by Soman Bhat on Mar 29, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
suman das agar brainless hai to tu gali ka raaste ka nanga kutta hai. jahan bhi kutti dekhta hai uski upar charta hai. tu yah se bahar ja. bahut saha tujh ko, ab lathi se pitai hoga tera saala oriya bhut. karan gaddhe ki aulaad.
RE:Remove Seniors
by Saurabh kohok on Mar 29, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
i guess greg chap was d coach in disguise ... he should be sacked ... he is to be blamed for the poor performance of the team .... the reason is simple bcos, it is obvious that in case Team BCCI would have won the WC07 (by luck) i am quite confident that greg chap.. would have got all teh credit n not the players.
BCCI can think of having two teams, one for ODI and another for Test matches with all youngsters. Doest not matter even if we lose two or three series.
I suggest that Selection Committee can have criteria before dropping any younger player from the team; eg. a player fails in two series should be rested for two series before getting selected based on his performance in the domestic cricket. Players retiring from test cricket should not be allowed to play domestic cricket to make way for youngsters. They can also consider giving points for players playing domestic cricket, just to avoid politics being played major role during selecting committee meetings.
Former Players who proved beyond doubt their affection and love for the game and worked hard for the upliftment of cricket in India like Kapil Dev, Venkatraghavan, Srikanth should be assigned key roles in the Board.
Ignoring all our suggestions, if the Board continues to follow their own selfish partisan policies by supporting senior players, then should boycott watching their play and make them feel with financial loss.
