Winning or defeat in matches depends on performance of XI players irrespective of captain, coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example It is not dravid but gnaguly sachin harbjanand dhoni should be out of team. some players delieberatley palyed negative cricket and dtiched dravid.and betrayed team. If players are not ready to support team cause what capatain can do for that It is up to individual players to deciede that play for team then support captain? why did not criticse harbajans bowling wktless in 2 games sachin complete failuer with bat dhoni faile in batting and was laughing after dropping catch, ganguly is main culprit played a big role in defeat and took revengae agaisnt dravid and chappel he could not have got big event like WCganguly wasted more balls than the runs he scored. The strikerate and average of bangadesh and other country opening players are better when compared to ganguly averagel His poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada he scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Tendulkar scored a duck, Ganguly 7 in 23 balls and Yuvraj 6? Dhoni 0?( match against srilanka) All is these playrs contributed to team defeat why u blame coach and captain only. I
He should have announced his retirement, before the world cup, so that someone else like Powar would have got a chance. His bowling is monotonous and predictable unlike what it was 10 yrs ago.
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by Nitin on Mar 30, 2007 08:20 AM Permalink
In the match you are talking about, Sachin scored 57 off 29b, in the other 2 matches, he scored 7 off 23b and a zero! Get it?!
He should have announced his retirement, before the world cup, so that someone else like Powar would have got a chance. His bowling is monotonous and predictable unlike what it was 10 yrs ago.
He should have been dropped, since he is not in a best of from, he can only take the wickets of tailenders, before giving 50 to 60 runs. Why Ramesh powar has been droped, you may say kumble world class but when out of form no use. Now it is high time you have to say good bye to kumble, if is not opting VRS from cricket.
RE:MY INDIAN TEAM ....RIGHT NOW
by Faceless Spirit on Mar 30, 2007 08:41 AM Permalink
Add Venugopal, Gul Mohammad, AR Telgi, Kuruvilla, Amal Majumdar, Asis Kapoor, Bharandeep Sing, Urmila Matondkar, Gunduppuru Biswanath, Chirimiri Chitpitinarayan, Branded Pickpocket, Best Looking Hizra, Sleeping Dasgupta, Mohammad Sattari, Disobedient Dumbo, Obedient Jumbo, Money Inder Singh, Wild Pataudi Deer Killer, Left Facelift Required Powar, Bengi the Silky Silictor, KirinMara, Raju Singh Cowdungpur, Shitting Shebag, Anda Dega Bose, Roshan Habashkaar,
Please have guts to announce your retirement - as others do not have guts to retire you compulsorily. In this way, you will be emulating your worthy contemporary - Steve Waugh. We'll also like to remember your past glories rather than your present shame. In any case, you're not playing for the game any more, but only for the moolah ! Wish you all the best in your new commercial ventures - sans cricket.
India should have easily beaten Bangladesh irrespective of batting first or second, Captain goes for a toss and what he says about batting first or fielding first depends upon the collective team decision, after all we had the so called experience in the team. The team lost because of complacency and they paid a heavy price for it. SACHIN is still a great player but he should know that its time to retire gracefully at-least from one day cricket so is Saurav and make way for young blood who are toiling in domestic cricket....Bring in John Wright as coach as he fits in Indian coaching system "taking the bullying of Indian players quietly". Greg Chappel is actually a best coach but the problem was he just did not fit our system where the politics is main Game. He did one best thing to remove arrogant Saurav, but it was too much as we Indians don't have that knack to foresee the future. Look what happened to Steve Waugh he was in good form but he was made to retire and Steve Waugh was the best captain of Australians. It is our administration which has to be changed, not the players.
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
After reading your mail, I think there should be 11 captains instead of one because as you have suggested it is a collective failure. Mr Benedict, captain is somebody who is there to take decisions, who has powers, who is above them all - he's there to take the responsibility of a Win & of a Loss that's why he's the Captain. If he can't take the responsibility then he should be a normal team member & not more than that.
RE:RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
For your kind information Dravid has taken the responsibility on himself...
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 12:39 PM Permalink
Before anybody kicks his butt he took the responsibility to gain sympathy of millions like you, Isn't it ??
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
At least he had the guts to take the responsibility whether it was to save his butt or gain sympathy...
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Mar 29, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
A captain is only as good as his team. However, there have been certain decisions taken by the Indian think tank which were baffling to say the least. A few instances -
1. offering first strike to England in the Bombay Test. 2. Dropping Kaif after he had saved India the blushes against England. 3. Pushing Dinesh Karthik down the order in the second innings of the 3rd Test against South Africa, when he had done so well as opener in the 1st innings. 4. Taking first strike against Bangladesh in the World Cup when there was a lot of moisture in the wicket. 5. Persisting with Sehwag despite continuous failure, Ganguly came back better after being dropped, why make Sehwag an exception. 6. Picking and not playing Pathan. This has been the case for the last six months. If the Management had lost confidence in him, the least they could have done is sent him to play domestic cricket. 7. Dropping Ganguly from the Test side when he had not exactly failed.
All this defies logic. Most of these decisions seemed premeditated or an inability to take a hard decision.
However, one does not know if there were other forces at work behind theses decisions
RE:RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by srikanth mylavarapu on Mar 30, 2007 02:06 AM Permalink
Hi Balaji, I wish to add " historical blunders of Indian cricket" 1. Concept of zonal selectors, instead coach should select team like in soccer, rugby etc.. common sense suggests coach should be in charge of selection. 2. Poor infrastructure across country. 3. Removing Kapil from captaincy, we should have persisted with him for long. 4. Firing captain immediately after a series loss, this ruined careers of Ravi shastri, Kriss Srikanth, Vengsarkar atc.. 5. Electing to field after winning toss in 1996 semifinal against SL. 6. Electing to field in the 2003 WC final. 7. Believing that they can chase in a crunch match, which has never happ except on a very few occasions. 8. Not playing according to our team strength, instead we fear on opponents strength. 9. Not handling match fixing issue. 10. No scientific coaching methods adopted.
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
Crap logic...you should not write for the sake of maintaining sanity on earth. you should go a try to drown youself in a gutter for writing such crap. The captain is the planner, thinker strategist along with the coach. Its his moral responsiblity to resign. Rahul failed miserably with Greg for all the experiment and should commit immediate suicide for letting over a billion people suffer.
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
How many times did you go and drenched yourself in gutter when Saurav did not perform or India lost during his captaincy....Come On Osho grow up..your words seem like you still have to gain lot of maturity. When a team fails collectively what can a captain or coach do. I agree the captain is the planner, thinker, strategist etc. etc. but when you are in the field the captain cannot be in all 11 places to field, or he cannot bowl or he cannot bat 11 times. The strategy has to be implemented in the field by all 11 players...REMEMBER CRICKET IS A GROUP GAME NOT A INDIVIDUAL. And by the way by reading all your comments and messages the languages are all crap....Mind you
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by anoop mathew on Mar 29, 2007 12:39 PM Permalink
I agree with most of your views but appropriate changes need to be made at the right time giving oppurtunity for youngsters. Steve waugh was removed from the aussie one day team because of his poor perfomance in a series of one day games. India needs to follow that type of examples.
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Narsi on Mar 29, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
Its true that Dravid along with a bunch of few junk crooked people played well off the pitch and failed miserably on the pitch, And Sachin should get his ass of the indian cricket and should manage his counters at the hotels, it is better for this selfish player who just made money and fame but no good to team India..
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by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
Dravid should go mate...he screwed up the Indian team and made it into a great indian tamasha..now make Sourav captain and just see how Sachin and others hit form back..and I guarantee you will visit his hotel with your ass for you dinner..Narsi..
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by anoop mathew on Mar 29, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
Do you believe in astrology or something of that sort so as to be sure that sachin and others will hit back to form if Sourav is made captain. The only solution is to remove all the old players. We have to look in to the future and move forward.
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 01:16 PM Permalink
Not astrology..simple logic. that you donot have..Dravid and greg tamasha is over.. Now Sourav will come back and provide the same team building confidence that he did..
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Circuit on Mar 29, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
Why Not Blame The Captain
If we recollect the past, in 1987 - kapil lost his captaincy due to a single bad day, when he could not pack the sweep shot of graham gooch and gave a catch over just over boundryline to mike getting. Besides these two mistakes, he led team india trumendouly match by match in all the area. but what happened, he had to loose his captaincy.
This time again, Team India was one of the favourites to win the cup and place in SemiFinals was assured by all the leading personalities. Only and Only due to inexperienced captaincy of dravid, team india take wrong decisions one after another until it was out in the preliminary round. Wo to shukra hai Bermuda thi, Koi bhi doosari team hoti to Teeno Match haar ke aate. Thus DRAVID SHOULD BE SACKED FROM CAPTAINCY, He may be allowed to be a team member.
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by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
If you think Captain should be sacked so does all the so called experienced players who could not deliver when needed
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
They did not deliver because of all the madness of Dravid for so many months along with Greg, now make Ganguly captain and watch the magic of these players again
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 12:34 PM Permalink
The team is 50% finished if Saurav is made captain then India will be frequently toured by Barmuda, Ireland, Scotland and Netherland and hurry India will surely win ICC Cup and qualify for next world cup....If you want to choose captain I bet on Mohd. Kaif or Zaheer Khan
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Check Out on Mar 29, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
I agree on the waht you said about Sourav, but why Kaif or Zaheer should be captain, they still need to prove themself. What about Yuvraj, he is young, agile, dynamic.
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by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Ok Osho please don't bring religion, I respect all the religions of the world that is enough. I am Indian and humanity is my religion. I have full right to give my views on who should be captain.. Kaif was captain of under 17 and 19 team in which India had won the world cup and Zaheer Khan has proved himself and if we make a bowler a captain whats wrong. No body was expecting Kapil Dev to be captain but he went on to win the worldcup and became one of the legendary all rounders of cricket
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Biswajit Maity on Mar 29, 2007 01:40 PM Permalink
Benedict, do u have any relation with inefficient Dravid.I mean to say any close ? got my point.He does not have leadership quality.Sourab is batter than Dravid as far as captaincy is concearned. understood , u better understood. SENDER RAMJANE
RE:WHY BLAME CAPTAIN ?????
by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
the same relation what you have with Sourab...YOU UNDERSTAND AND BETTER UNDERSTAND OK. If you have any problems with my views then write your own message one the message board...U BETTER GROW UP
It is so unfortunate that Sachin is named now-a-days along with chronic non-performers such as Kumble, Ganguly, H bhajan. If he has some self respect, he should announce his retirement. It is not necessary for him to continue just for the sake of no one is there to replace him. India will find the talent if not in 1 or 2 years. But his move will pave the way to clean up the other mess such as Ganguly, kumble, H bhajan, Sehwag etc.
RE:How can Aus ignore someone like Shane Warne and still win
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Mar 29, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
The biggest problem with Sachin is that he is short of match practice. Over the last 7 years he has been sidelined several times by injury and fast tracked back into the side. It would have been better if he had delayed his comebacks and got himself match fit by playing domestic cricket. What he needs to do is play one full season of domestic cricket, get his rhythm back, and then try to come back, if he still has the hunger. If he does this, I am confident we will see a better Tendulkar
RE:How can Aus ignore someone like Shane Warne and still win
by Gowda on Mar 29, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
How can u call kumble non-performer. Sachin is so selfish. Doesnt play for the team.... Kumble is real, not a hype unlike sachin...
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by ananth nipani on Mar 29, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
Binny is Bangalorian, Kirmani who was the wicketkeeper was Bangalore born and verymuch a kannadiga at heart. So get the facts right, else the facts will get you. Stop using words like bloody etc.e-mail is not the forum for displaying gutter language and chauvinistic views by chaps like you.
RE:How can Aus ignore someone like Shane Warne and still win
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
you are right and if Dravid has some self respect he should suicide.
