win or defeat is depands on performance of XI players irrespetive of coach, captain,stretagy ptich and conditions. sl and bangladehs win against team india is best example for that A team is as good as captain what captain and coach will do when some players with the support of the board officials ditch conspiracy against current captian and coach? And there won%u2019t such big event like WC to humiliate captain and prove him a poor captian and ganguly as good captain and regain his captaincy If team wins there won't be change in captaincy? It is ganguly ditched dravid and deliberately played negative cricket and humiliated dravid .Now see these players name is coming forward to make them as captian?? so early exit from the wC means provend dravid poor captain and many will praise ganguly success and bring back ganguly. Adeliberate attempt to ditch captian Ganguly played a big role in defeat of of team ind against bangadesh and sabotage Indian campaign in World cup. ganguly wasted more balls than the runs he scored. The strikerate and average of bangadesh and other country opening players are better when compared to ganguly averagel His poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada he scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Harbajan singh went wktless in 2 matches dhoni failed with bat Zahirkahn was wktless in firest match and in he took 2 wkts against SL but he gave more extra runs b'cuz of erratic bowling. VC captain sachin failed completely with bat Dravid was criticsed by chief selector and board members and ex cricketers but he was highest rungetter, and scored 100 and won mom. Other players din not score 100 against even Bermuda VC captain sachin failed completely with bat Tendulkar, Ganguly and Yuvraj? Are they exempted coz Tendulkar scored a duck, Ganguly 7 in 23 balls and Yuvraj 6?( match against srilanka) Batsman Mts Inns & nbsp; NO Runs Hs &nbs p;Avg SR 100 50 ; 0 Sehwag 3 3 &n bsp; 0 164 114 54.66 117.98 1 ; 0 0 Ganguly 3 3 0 & nbsp; 162 89 54.00 &n bsp; 60.90 0 2 0 Yuvraj 3 3 &nb sp; 0 136 83 45 .33 117.24 0 1 0 Dravid 3 3 &nb sp; 1 81 60 &nb sp; 40.50 72.32 0 &nb sp; 1 0
if captain and coach has to go so all other like ganguly tendulkar, dhoni, zahirkhan harbajan, agarkar should also be out??
Captaincy record for gangul y and dravid statistics prove dravid did equally good job in 16 months compared to ganguly ' 5 yrs Dravid within 16 months did good job and equally good odi success what ganguly has in 5 yrs. Ganguly had full support of bcci and dalmiay prsd with ganguly for all 5 yrs of his captaincy. Nobody ex cricketer or board officials dare not speak against ganguly's blunders He continued to enjoy captaincy even his late 3 yers he was out form and non performing but he was forutnate that dravid sachin, kumble laxman sewag were all in form and contributed lot his success as captain more than ganguly leadership qualities Team won 23 out of 76 odis when sachin was captain Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when dravid was captian Both sachin and ganguly had more time as captain Out of 76 matches 38 matches won in india and 31 odis wins are against weaker team like kenya, nambia and Zimb Dravid did not loose any odi series at home ( even SA it was drawn 2-2) and 2 matchs against ZImb Except Australia no other team is winning series consistanly there is always ups and downs Even when ganguly was captain there were wins and many humiliated defeat. Team did not win all series under his captaincy. Team India did not win in SA when ganguly was also captain. Bangladesh beat India when ganguly was captian Team had humiliated defeat by Kiwis( 56 all out a record) aussies, WI, Pakistan when ganguly was captain. Team had some lost test and odi series when ganguly was captain. John and ganguly build a team and watched how it collapsed. Team was broken ship when dravid made capatian Ganguly responsible for the outset of kumble, laxman, nayna mongia from the odi team he also spoiled the careear of Akash chopra, hemang badani, partiv patel, muali karthik, Ajay ratra, S gopan ramesh, SS das gagnuly treated team as his own property and players who were good in his books were getting chance,. When dravid is captian there are 32 players got chance some failed and some proven worthy. Even dravid encouraged yougnerst like raina, munaf, sresant, dinesh karthick, robin, also recommended payush chawla to share the ind team dressing room though even he is not part of team. The Diff is ganguly had godfather dalmiya in bcci had full support. Nobody ex cricketer or board officials dare not speak against ganguly's blunders Dravid has no godfather infact some board members and chief selector only criticisng him by giving some crap statement in press. Ganguly had 5 yrs a long tenure but dravid only 16 months. Ganguly last 100 was during WC03 aganginskeny and won MOS after six yrs during SL series in home (captain no MOS_Dravid last 100 was WI ( won mom ) and also won mom and mos for historic series in WI after 8months becoming captain Ganguly is authorative, emotional and flamebouynt but dravid is soft, methodical and calculative.. Ganguly displayed his dominenanc on field, commond players but dravid was not expressing his emitoins and never exihibit that he is captain and all decision are on his shoulder.. Ganguly was non performing captain in lae 2 yrs of his captaincy but dravid odi batting average is better as captain than the his normal. Ganguly took the credit as successful captain for the hard work done by dravid, laxman, kumble and sachin while dravid shared the credit for victory with his teammates and accepted defeat in front of media. Ganguly played a big role and ditched team and dravid and early exit from WC means to prove dravid is poor captain and praise ganguly a successful captain. Look all his marketing agents now running campaign that team need ganguly back BUT HE WILL SAY HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN CAPTAINCY. Instead of projecting dravid as villain PLS HIGHLIGHT PETTY POLITICS PLAYED BY GANGULY FOR PATHETIC DEBACLE OF WC
1st IND v SAF 09/03/2000 Nehru Stad. (Kochi),India won by 3 wickets
Now you can see Donald who was there in tests opted out,Clusner did not bowl but he was there in the squad.
Pollock,Kallis,N Boje did not finish their quota. Cronje,Hayward, Williams,Crookes finishing rest of the overs.
What was cooking up. Did South Africa wanted themselves to loose?
2nd IND v SAF 12/03/2000 Keenan Stadium India won by 6 wickets What they are up against? same bowling despite earlier defeat. Same bowling pattern.
4th IND v SAF 17/03/2000 IPCL Sports Complex India won by 4 wickets.
What is going on same bowling pattern. inspite of being two one down in five match series. This should be do or die match for SA. Same bowling pattern.
Real great captaincy by Ganguly and match management by Dalmia combine per your estyle. He not only motivated Indian players but South African Players for India win.
RE:CAPTIANCY MYTH
by Ramu on Mar 28, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
very good analysis...should be posted as a article..no matter who is the caption Indian team is losing most of the times
Dear Mates! I guess my dear bro Greg couldn't understand the culture and work ethics of this country. I belive not every great player becomes a good coach but he can be a good thinker of the game. I think what India did wrong is 'not using their inform players properly specially Dhoni'.I think he is a very good thinker of the game but Rahul and Greg used this inform player in the very end of the inning which cost them badly. I am a supporter of this theory that when you have a player who is in tremendous form use him upfront don't use him as a 'precaution'...In srilanka match I was hoping that Rahul would send Dhoni at no. 3 but he didnt and when he came nothing much was there to be done, game was actually over that time. I think Dravid was also lacking in imagination and captaincy and he looked quite stubborn too by sticking with out of form players as if he wants to prove a point that he is right..! Dravid should leave the captaincy now but should remain in the team as a senior pro who can guide young blood, same thing you can say for Sachin too. I think Yuvi is the best choice for India with Dhoni as his deputy. While committed players like Sachin and Rahul around I guess both the young guys are quite capable of leading the team.I have never seen any commited players like Rahul and Sachin in this whole cricket world. Cricket will allways learn from both these jenious..Both these guys will always remain as a living book for younger generation. I salute them!
RE:pawar may be the guy
by Soman Bhat on Mar 28, 2007 08:51 AM Permalink
Pawar ke khilaf bolta hai tu bhikari, kya aukaat hai tera? Pawar ke paas kitna rupaya hai pata hai tujhe saala do kadi ka naukar. Ja ja subhay subhay dimg maat kha ja chaye banake le aa sabhi ko chaye pila aur saath mein do do bekary biskit ja ja jaldi la saala naukar lo caste.
RE:pawar may be the guy
by Sabyasachi Sarkar on Mar 28, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
Suman you are sure you are high class?Your language does not indicate so?Pawar has himslf said in many rallies that he is a humble farmer.You mean to say Pawar is also a liar?
Dravidji's comment, when near to getting dropped as a BS batsman during Ganguly's tenure, about Ganguly-"he is God of OFF side." Dravidji about Chappell, when he was being selected-"Moody is better."
Dravidji about Chappell-When ganguly was suspended because of slow over rate-"He is the best coach in the game today."
When Dravidji was playing in the ICCXI in Melbourne with Flintoff, a known racist and India baiter,"Flintoff is the best all rounder in the world.", then Dravidji to the amazement of the reporters, snatched a Flintoff mask from a ball boy,and pose for the press.
Dravidji never ceases to amaze, never....he is genetically programmed to do CHAMCHA GIRI..thats why we are proud of his.....Cheers Dravidji Sir, Chamchagiri King of Karnataka....Jai Ho!!
RE:THE ART OF CHAMCHAGIRI..by his His Grace Dravidji Sirji
by rayker rayker on Mar 28, 2007 07:49 AM Permalink
hwatever dude. there's plenty of contradictions. ganguly was the biggest chamcha of dalmiya. the whole system is a kitchen by your measure. there's plenty of vessels in the indian cricket scene. somebody is a chamcha or a kada, tava or something else. what a bunch of bull. maybe he did badly as a captain - with strategies. otherwise he is blemishless, and an unsung hero of the indian cricket.
RE:THE ART OF CHAMCHAGIRI..by his His Grace Dravidji Sirji
by Soman Bhat on Mar 28, 2007 08:27 AM Permalink
David ka chamcha log yeh baat samajh le. Uske khpori mein captinacy ka kuchh nahi hai. woh kabhi sahi captin nahi banega. Ek sublime khachhar hai woh.
Pawarji is right, losin and winning is part of he game, only Dravidji have been losing , bangladesh and SLanka are winning, previously under Wright7dada we use to lose finals, now we lose in first rounds
what is he talkin,, england not won a world cup n the public just keeps quiet,, pls tell him some one that ppl in england r more passionate about football than cricket n fans do create big scenes if the football team doesnt do well,cricket is more a leisure game , n there is a system in western countries, if they dont perform well, they morally take the responsibility n step down, but in india they wont step down till their chidren take their positions... how much more money will this politicuians earn at the cost of the poor ppl of india,, cmon guys enough of this,,, let us atleast make sports corrupt free in India.
RE:Abhi - the Ghati fisherman
by abhi on Mar 28, 2007 02:26 AM Permalink
i am not a maharshtrian for your kind info. now keep guessing my province you bloody biased regionalist. i am a true supporter of the game and great players like sachin and not some useless brainless temporary crciket fan like you whose loyalty depends on which way the team is going. Saala faltoo insaan.
RE:RE:Abhi - the Ghati fisherman
by Soman Bhat on Mar 28, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
do burbaak hai debo aur abhi. dono ko hi post se nikal do sala dono hi kam bakht foolish type of guys . never made any intelligent comments. bhag saale dono hi naukar ki beta.
No wonder why you are this way. Your roots isn't very good. We know how to sort our(India's) problems. we don't need your expertise. Thanks for your advice and please shut up. Whom and what to workship... We'll decide.
RE:Paul Ron - Get the hell out of here
by Manoj Kholia on Mar 28, 2007 02:57 AM Permalink
Mr Pawar .. How much out of this 50 Crore goes into your pocket.. Atlest 15 Crore .. right ..
RE:Paul Ron - Get the hell out of here
by Soman Bhat on Mar 28, 2007 08:53 AM Permalink
Pawar ke khilaf bolta hai tu bhikari, kya aukaat hai tera? Pawar ke paas kitna rupaya hai pata hai tujhe saala do kadi ka nauka. Ja ja subhay subhay dimg maat kha ja chaye banake le aa sabhi ko chaye pila aur saath mein do do bekary biskit ja ja jaldi la saala naukar lo caste.
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by Bob BOB on Mar 28, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
I don't understand even a single word, Would be nice if you can translate.
Actually I was just commenting on Paul as he has become Toooo critical of India. Wasn't supporting Pawar. Cricket is out of my mind till India plays again. World Cup 2007 has lost its heat (in me) as India is out. Like every Indian , I was hoping that India would come victorious but their performance was disappointing. They don't deserve the cup.
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by Bob BOB on Mar 28, 2007 10:11 AM Permalink
I don't understand even a single word, Would be nice if you can translate.
Actually I was just commenting on Paul as he has become Toooo critical of India. Wasn't supporting Pawar. Cricket is out of my mind till India plays again. World Cup 2007 has lost its heat (in me) as India is out. Like every Indian , I was hoping that India would come victorious but their performance was disappointing. They don't deserve the cup.
sorry I had to type three times as the messages were getting truncated.
RE:Paul Ron - Get the hell out of here
by Bob BOB on Mar 28, 2007 10:08 AM Permalink
I don't understand even a single word, Would be nice if you can translate.
Actually I was just commenting on Paul as he has become Toooo critical of India . Wasn't supporting Pawar. Cricket is out of my mind till India plays again. World Cup 2007 has lost its heat (in me) as India is out. Like every Indian , I was hoping that India would come victorious.
