RE:Jehad is the motive
by Kavuri Vamsi Mohan on Mar 22, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
Imran is not sure it is murder, that is why he is defending the Pak team. Just think, coaching a pak team is like sitting in a hot seat. A coach like Miandad was not able to coach pakistan team how can Mr.Woolmer can teach them, one more problem is that Ramiz Raja talks badly when his team loses and when his team wins he says, give credit to woolmer and inzi. He is not suited for job like commentary. Mr Zaheer Abbas ex crickter commented in 1 of the TV channels after the defeat of Pak in hands of Ireland that "Mr.woolmer is more interested in Coaching England team than Pakistan". These comments are not said to me racism. Bcoz Raja wants a pakistan coach that's all, he didn't say more then that whereas D Jones commented Alma as a terroist and I don't no case of Gibbs. Anyhow even if Bob Woolmer is alive, his tenure as coach is finished. What I want to say is that if a team loses so many comments come out from ex crickters and the is not called a racism... It is called something else. Look at Kapil Dev, Chethan Sharma and some other ex crickters, how they reacted and commented responsible when India lost to Bangladesh. Mr. Badtameez Raza is always blame a coach and captain...
RE:Jehad is the motive
by harish subramanian on Mar 22, 2007 01:08 AM Permalink
Hi Animesh. If I remember correctly, It was Rameez Raza who was instrumental in brining Bob Woolmer for the coaching position in Pakistan.
Guys You took my posting in a wrong sense i guess. I didnt attach or drag India in to it, even pakistanis for this matter. All I said was, We fans, in India and pakistan are too much emotionally involved with this game. Thats why following things happened. We dont tolerate our Teams losing. (1) doing yagas for India winning cricket WC (2) If they dont do well, buring Effigy and pelting stones(Ask Dhoni' family and Kaif' family) (3) Trying to Hit chappel (4) Didnt allow the 1996 WC semi-final to finish in Calcutta (5) last day of 1999 Asia Test championship between Pakistan and india was played in Empty stands.
I really hope India wins and moves to Next round. What will happen if india loses. Players will be in extreme pressure. They are humans. Thats it. We made them Heros, when they dont do well, we make them villains. Thats not correct. I still feel Bob' death is natural, if its not its not good for SUBCONTINENT Cricket. Hope i am making myself clear. If not let me be an Idiot.
RE:Misunderstood my Posting
by Kavuri Vamsi Mohan on Mar 22, 2007 01:21 AM Permalink
I am absolutely agree with u. We should tolerate our team even if it loses. But the difficult part is people might accept the defeat with some good team. Bangladesh has won only 5 odi's out of 100 ODI's, sorry part is that they have won twice on India.Even the presence of players like Tendulkar,Dravid,Ganguly & Dhoni were not able to avoid the defeat. But Burning the Efigies & doing Yagas and blaming chappel are not the right things to do. Chappel came here to make our players very competative but how can he improve the fielding standards for Harbhajan singh, Ganguly, Munaf Patel, Zaheer khan, Anil Kumble,Dravid. They are very poor in the field slow movers. We should behave as a good citizens and cricket is sport, it should not become a battle field. I too hope India goes to Next round in style.
RE:RE:Misunderstood my Posting
by Rishab on Mar 22, 2007 09:16 AM Permalink
Hehe.. True. Why dont people blame the God? Even after doing a yaga India did not win.
Remember when the West Indies team refused to go to SL to play their matches because of "security concerns" despite being promised by the then president of SL that the same security would be given to them as heads of state?
What do the West Indies cricket board have to say now about the security in their own country?No wonder Indian team is accompanied by NSG personnel!
RE:Security in the West Indies
by Kavuri Vamsi Mohan on Mar 22, 2007 02:09 AM Permalink
The act of WI made them forfeit points and made ICC to bring strict rules for teams forfeiting any match. This made SL won that world cup in 1996.
We hope its of natural cause. Coz if its a Murder, no one will come to coach in Subcontinent Teams especially India and pakistan. Even teams will be scared to play against these teams. Even cricketers are humans, they will make mistakes. People should not be too much emotionally attached.
RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by o on Mar 22, 2007 01:37 AM Permalink
If no one wants to come to India for coaching.. hell with them.. We have very good coaches.. Sandip Patil, Paras Mahmbre, Venkatesh Prasad.. they can do the job
RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by o on Mar 22, 2007 01:58 AM Permalink
Buddy.. looks like you don't follow the domestic cricket. You did not coment on Sandip Patil as you know he was the coach for Kenya who reached SF in the last world cup..
Regarding Prasad and Paras they are doing a great job for the domestic team. Prasad coached Karnataka team with most unheard, new comers, and they did better than expectations in Ranji this year.
RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by SEL KUMAR on Mar 21, 2007 11:34 PM Permalink
if it is murder only pak has to face the fate . Everybody knows india will never ever think of all these brutal acts.
RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by Sameer on Mar 21, 2007 11:40 PM Permalink
cos even indians are very violent when it comes abt India losing any match... You know wat indians did after india lose against Bangladesh???? cricket house broken, stone thrown on their houses, burnt every1 effigy... u never know dude wat can happen if india is Out of world cup.... so Mr harish very well pointed "India and Pak".
RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by Vikatakavi on Mar 21, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
Idiot! Question was why drag INDIA. And you went on to say all bullshit which is even remotely connected to Bob Woolmer's death. Point is how is india/indians are connected to bob's death.
Just becoz you are allowed to type in here, don't post bullshit.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by Shantan Kumar on Mar 21, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
You're a bigger idiot!! Read Harish's message above first before talking... he said it will be a bad thing if Bob was murdered because no foreign coaches will come to coach in India & Pakistan. Why? Because people in the subcontinent tend to forget that cricket is a game and not a life & death issue like many hooligans in both countries have done! Just becoz you are allowed to type in here, don't post bullshit.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by Vikatakavi on Mar 22, 2007 07:39 AM Permalink
You are a moron. The fact that you guys wants to keep on adding your BS in favor of another moron is awful. Go and Get a Life.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by ramasastry lanka on Mar 22, 2007 01:25 AM Permalink
man in your first statement you said india would never get in to such brutal acts, in your second statement you said again that india would get in to such acts. Ain't they contradicting. You are unable to stand on one point and you are contradicting your own points
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by o on Mar 22, 2007 01:34 AM Permalink
If no one wants to come to India for coaching.. hell with them.. We have very good coaches.. Sandip Patil, Paras Mahmbre, Venkatesh Prasad.. they can do the job
RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by Aravinda Subramaniam on Mar 21, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
Why not India..A stupid Indian fan slapped Chappel...If he's so emotionally charged why not try his hands on tendulkar or other cricketers who failed. What abt the riots to the extent India v SL semifinal got canceled..effigy burning..hurling stones at players houses..Indians are no better and utterly stupid.xxyx5
RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by Jas on Mar 22, 2007 12:02 AM Permalink
Indian fans are certainly stupid but administration has a good record of security when it comes to life and death...which is why India was prudent enough to sent NSG cover, the same cover that is given to dignitaries.
Many Paki players have been kidnapped in the past, some of them were reported as "missing" etc. The emotion of cricket fans in India and Pak can be compared but the security cover and the prudence India shows wrt security cannot be compared.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by JM on Mar 22, 2007 12:05 AM Permalink
That is correct. Indian and Paki fans ar eboth emotionally charged but security wise and administration wise, both cannot be compared.
(I remember reading that some Paki player/s lashed for not doing well some 20-25 years back. Or was it just yellow-journalism?)
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Hopefully its a natural death
by rajesh ahuja on Mar 22, 2007 12:23 AM Permalink
Yes fans are emotional I agree and also there is pressure to perform (which should be there as we pay for them through taxes), but draging India into this BOB WOOLMER incident does not make any sense, it is purely a pakistan's issue.
