RE:captaincy myth
by Rahul Roy on Apr 15, 2007 05:11 PM Permalink
No one questioning Dravid%u2019s ability as a batsman. He is our all time best batsman. We are asking his captaining abilities. No one gave Ganguly captaincy for 5 years .He had to earn it through the performance and winning. While captaincy was given to Dravid on a plate. First for 1 year up to WC 2007 which he did a mess. No for 3 months.
Don%u2019t even start on the story of betraying What is the reason of sacking a winning captain who scored a century in his last test innings?
I just can%u2019t figured out how 'GANGULY BETRYED DALMIAY, DRAVID SACHIN'? Isn%u2019t it the other way round? That%u2019s common perception any way..
RE:captaincy myth
by Suman Bhat on Apr 24, 2007 01:02 AM Permalink
odi winning average diff ganguly and dravid is only 1% while ganguly led team for 146 ois dravid only 63 matches ganguly was captain for 5yrs while dravid not even 2yrs
Lack of commitment, fighting spirit, negative body language, playing for self recores, to cement place for next matches, sponsers, poor fielding, trying to expose each on the field, promoting groupism etc.. Has coach told instructed for all these?? chappell's big mistake was he treated all players alike, equally and push the players from comfort zone. many superstars were taken their placed for granted.... winning and defeat depends on performance of XI players on the field irrepective of coach, captain, pitch and conditions. SL is playing superb cricket None of senior player /ex captain m envied mahila%u2019s his promotion as captain From the outset they gave unstinting support. they remained hungry to perform and did not rely on reputation or popular support to protect theanguly and sachin should have fought battle on ground rahter in dressing room both may successful to get rid of chappell but both players may not play WC2011
DNA newspaper reported that it is sachin, ganguly yuvraj and sreesant signed contract till 2011. this resting and discussion media speculation are just eyewashing business nobody has guts to remove 2 super starts rrom the team
during WC03 sacin batted brillently and dravid did keeping for team cause to add one more extra batsman and srinath bowled to his heart? where was captain when team required his service? sewag and dravid scored in final match MOST IMP IN Wc 2007 IT SENIOR PLAYERS BACKSTABBED DRAVID. MAINLY GANGULY?? any win WC match would have harmed the record of ganguly ganguly and gang had major role in WC debacle rather than dravid's captincy?/ WHAT ABOUT TEAM EXIT IN 1ST ROUND DRUING CHAMPIOSN TROPHY 2004 IN ENGLAND ?? Q2 team ind won champions trophy not b;cuz of ganguly leadership but rain spoil the game and SL and ind delcared joint winnier
Dravid is not a powerful leader and has no self belief. He is too introvert & self centered to be a captain. For his selfish act and self interest he (with the help from another two similar minded person Greg& More ) turned the 'Team India'( inherited from great Ganguly era) to a collection of great players. If you can not build a team then you can not be a team leader. Without a %u201Cteam%u201D you can't win. Consequently we dropped from ICC ranking 2 to 6. He has no influencing power and does not have any charisma to be a captain. He himself understands that. That%u2019s why now he got another a couple of south colleagues (Prasad & Sing) to get the help, support and the %u201Cpower%u201D to make the players agree to his silly plans. Remember if that plain fails he will complain like a child that his players didn%u2019t support him.
A person who can%u2019t lead himself how can he lead 1.2 billion people ?
If a simple man like me can understand, why all the so called experts and knowledgeable BCCI persons can%u2019t understand that?
I think they do understand. But this is the board politics and the part of the arrangement how they came into power. The current management does not care about Indian cricket . As long as they are in power and get the money everything else is fine. DRAVID IS THEIR YES MAN. They just want to put people%u2019%u2019s attention to something different, so that they are not judge by their own performance.
The players should go if they are not performing. But so do the captain, coach & the BCCI management. Because of their combined effort India has slipped down to ICC ranking 6, from ICC ranking 2, when they took power from the previous board.
Only in India we sack our most successful captain after a series win while the captain scored a ton in his last test innings. But we keep our captain (and probably our coach too if he wanted to stay) after such a measurable performance in world cup, champions trophy and so on%u2026.
I think we should change attitude towards cricket tournaments. Just like Olympics we should say participation is the main thing. We do not want to win; all we want our good boy Dravid as captain. The team will not win and the players will not demand. After all it is BCCI who are there to control the players and show who are in charge. Not to help or listen to the player or sort our player%u2019s or support%u2019s problem.
RE:Dravid Should Resign like Lara...Inzimam..
by Rahul Roy on Apr 15, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
U R right. We should not take performance into account. Drop the players you don not like and keep the captain and the players you like even they are not performing...
Have you seen the strike-rate of the other Indian players on that day? Ganguly's stike rate was much better than DRAVID or Sachin. Also check the latest SA Vs Bangladesh match and the strike rate of the big hitters.
India could not even play 50 overs against Bangladesh. Ganguly was playing the anchor role and if he stayed till the end we would have reached 220 at least.
Main problem was the decision of Dravid to bat first and even seeing the condition he could find out what would be a defendable score on that track. Kept on sending note to hit sixes that%u2019s how Ganguly got out.
192 was still defendable if Mr. Know it all Dravid should have showed a better common sense captaincy and asked Munaf to start the bowling. He should have used Sachin /Sehwag / Yuvraj much earlier in the match after seeing the Bangladeshi bowlers. Could have asked for Ganguly%u2019s suggestion instead of going with his own big ego.
First ask the motivation of our captain, he must be grilled by anti corruption sleuths questioning his intentions. How come he kept on playing super flop Sehwag on SA tour ? Also how come we kept on playing non-scoring Uthappa for continuous 3 matches in a important tournament like WC?
Why we were out of Champions trophy in the first round as well? We had young team, world most successful & intelligent Captain Mr.Rahul Dravid and the best strategist Guru Greg Chappell? Why same for the ODIs in SA?
We only started wining after Ganguly joined started scoring runs and up lift the team moral
RE:Dravid Should Resign like Lara...Inzimam..
by Suman Bhat on Apr 16, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
team ind did win any series in SA even when ganguly was captain. and team won odis and tests udner dravid captaincy withot tendulkar or ganguly wehn ganguly was captain it was dravid who anchored his success in odis and tests dravid did not promote any groupism ganguly should have reciprocated at least 10% of dravid contributed ganguly's success as captain
chapell hold mirror for dark side of ind cricket. he tried to push the players from comfort zone, treated all players alike and equal, and his alligation that sponsers play a role in team selection and stretgy is true and many players spend the time in crease as per sponser requirment / conditions marketing agents of players in collusion with media painted a larger than life picture of senior players and would have done behind the scenes harm to the younger players by manipulating media. todays DNA newspaper carried out report that some players have signed the ad commercials till 2010 and nobody in bcci has guts to speak against these players or put them out of team. All ex cricketers are blaming chappell nobody in bcci has guts to remove these players. Today's DNA newspaper carried out report that some star players who had major roel in WC debacle, had singed the ad commercials till 2010.. and these players will be in team and perform as per ad clause...chappell%u2019s alligantion that sponsers play an imp role in team stretagy / selection and also wants the batsman to spend more time in crease. Loss of Indian Team in WC is due to these egoistic rotten heads Many senior players will treat themselves as leaders not wanted to be led by leader. Its great tht even after handing over easy victory by Indian legends(sachin, viru, dhoni ganguly), dravid handed over a bat to Iqbal Tamim. This shows dravid is a true sportsman.
RE:dravid, please quit
by Suman Bhat on Apr 16, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
chapell hold mirror for dark side of ind cricket. he tried to push the players from comfort zone, treated all players alike and equal, and his alligation that sponsers play a role in team selection and stretgy is true and many players spend the time in crease as per sponser requirment / conditions marketing agents of players in collusion with media painted a larger than life picture of senior players and would have done behind the scenes harm to the younger players by manipulating media. Most failed captain of a team which has two ex-captains to see that the team always fails in performance, two captain aspirants who conspire with these ex-captains to defeat the team in success, two bowlers who have regional affinity more than nation, two ex-captains from regions playing to galleries of their regions, this is enough to make a good team give pedestrian performances coupled with ad-managers compelling the selection of these duds on commercial reasons than gaming logic DNA newspaper carried out report that some players have signed the ad commercials till 2010 and nobody in bcci has guts to speak against these players or put them out of team. All ex cricketers are blaming chappell nobody in bcci has guts to remove these players. Today's DNA newspaper carried out report that some star players who had major roel in WC debacle, had singed the ad commercials till 2010.. and these players will be in team and perform as per ad clause...chappell%u2019s al77ligantion that sponsers play an imp role in team stretagy / selection and also wants the batsman to spend more time in crease. Loss of Indian Team in WC is due to these egoistic rotten heads Many senior players will treat themselves as leaders not wanted to be led by leader. Its great tht even after handing over easy victory by Indian legends(sachin, viru, dhoni ganguly), dravid handed over a bat to Iqbal Tamim Ganguly ugly politics made Sachin to leave captaincy down in order permanently betrayed by ganguly. dravid anchored success to captaincy of ganguly but ganguly betrayed dravid dalmiay supported ganguly for 5 yrs as godfather and ganguly betrayed dalmiay ganguly is selfish, opperitunits, politician criketer some year ago, sunil gavasakr made 36 runs in 60 overs and venkat ragahavan was made captain for one match . Ventak became XII in next match, and out of odi team.sachin is greatest cricketer all records against his name but he is not bigger than team or game. ganguly under sachin never performed. team lost many games and sachin forced to resign. but when ganguly was captain sachin and dravid anchored the success no player promoted the groupism or plyaed for sponsers. But ganguly is now betrayed dalmiya, dravid and his teammates and millions of cricket fans.
RE:Ex-cricketers of INDIA should come forward to save INDIAN cricket and BCCI
by Suman Bhat on Apr 16, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
ganguly should retire Ganguly had big role in defeat in mathch against Bangladesh. He gifted match t o bangaldesh deliberately playing negative cricket just to humiliate dravid and to take revenge against chappell ?? but he betrayed the whole team ganguly wasted more balls than runs he scored poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side He did not bother to try and hold an easy catch during agarka bowling , Never tried to accelerate run rate He did not tried to hold simple catch during agarkar%u2019s bowling 60 runs in 130 balls how it can help a team cause?? Ganguly had one stage for having batted through nearly 11 overs to make a mere 7 runs. Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs India Scored 191 in 50 overs Ganguly Scored 66 runs in 21 overs wasted more balls than runs he scored., Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada Ganguly scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Ganguly 7 in 23 balls against SL Ganguly did return with team but nest day when arrived in kolkat airport media said he got a warm welcome He was not team uniformGanguly success is b'cuz of dravid contribution in tests and sachin contribution in oids.. Not B'CUZ OF HIS LEADERSHIP OR AGRESSION GANGULY %u2018S SELFISH, OPPERTUNIST, CUNNING POLITICIAN AND PROMOTING GROUPISM AND NOT BATHER ED IF TEAM WINS OR NOT GANGULY IS MAIN CULPRIT IN DEBACLE OF WC HE SHOULD BE OUT OF IND TEAM FOR TESTS AND ODIS team went final in WC2003 bcuz sachin batted brilliently. he scored 33%of total runs and won MOS and best batsman. NOT B'CUZ OF GANGULY CAPTAINCY OR LEADERSHIP, srinath bowled well and dravid ketp wkts to accomodate one more batsman No player played negative cricket that team should loolse. But this time some players were not with team or captain Ganguly betrayed dalmiay, dravid and played for his sponsers sourav succeded in earning maniac fans like you by scoring 50 in almost every Innings at the cost of winnig chances of India. India''s loss against bangladesh was due to him. He created fear in our own batsmen by playing pathetically slow and then gave confidence to bangladeshi bowlers.
. And WC event is best place to humiliate captain. One win would made team to in Sleague and there won%u2019t be any change in some players deliberately played negative cirkcet and betrayed team and ditched captain.
RE:Ex-cricketers of INDIA should come forward to save INDIAN cricket and BCCI
by Suman Bhat on Apr 15, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
Stat tells different story
SC Ganguly 146 76 65 &nbs p; 5 52.05% R Dravid 65 33 28 4 50.77% The difference of odi wnnin average is only 1% when compared to succss of ganguly & john AND dravid and chappell Ganguly had advantage of leading team for maximu nos of matches and 5 yr lengthier period and 31 wins against weaker team dravid only captian for 16 months and difference in winning average is only 1.22%
include the match which were either cancelled r not played
Ganguli- 76 from 141 = 53.90%
Dravid - 33 from 61 =54.09%
J/Wright-68 from 124= 54.83%
Chappel-32 from 59=54.23%
and dravid and cahppell did not even completed 2 yrs IN NDTV big cricket poll survey %u2013 which was conducted by among 15 state criciket associations 80% ppl voted for dravid to retain captaincy In survey of IBNCNN Should Rahul Dravid be replaced as the captain of the Indian team? And the answer was in the negative with 86 per cent saying he should not be removed with only nine per cent saying that he should be replaced. Indian Express voting poll more 50% voted dravid for captaincy. Drvid has support of gavaskr, kapildev, sanidpatil, snajay manjrekar, Aunshman gaikead, kiran more , chetan chouhan, GR vishwanath, S venkat rahbavan etc%u2026 Dravid played under captaincy of sahcin and ganguly, he gave 100% commitment to team, socred runs when team was required against strong bowling attacks under pressure, building partnerships and stayed at wkt to finish match. HE TRUESTED SENIOR PLYERS WILL SUPPORT HIM BUT BACK FIRED BY superstars like sachin bajji, ganguly dhoni, zahirkhan and agrakar,,,, Many ppl blame chappell but chappell as coach was recommended by ganguly and time mody was suggested by dravid. Under tim mody SL is playing superb cricket Jayawardene has been lucky with his older players. None of them envied his promotion. From the outset they gave unstinting support. No less importantly they remained hungry, and did not rely on reputation or popular support to protect their places. ganguly's success as captain is b'czu of contributions of dravid sachin laxman kumble and sewag NOT CERTIANLY HIS LEADERSHIP QUALITIES LIEK takign out shirt, making opposition captain wait for toss, yelling at bowlers for loose balls, making funny face on field, argueing umpers etc.. DRAVID ANCHORED SUCCESS FOR GANGULY AS CAPTAIN DRAVID IS PILLAR FOR GANGULY SUCCESS IN ODIS AND TEST AS SUCCSSFUL CAPTAIN BUT SELFISH OPPERTUNIST GANGULY BETRYED DALMIAY, DRAVID SACHIN DRAVID is still ranked xii in ICC odi ranking AND HAD WON 3 ICC AWARDS. bucz icc ranking done on basis of batsman performance on the ground not by ind politician or media magagers of so called ind superstar palyers. As captain dravid odi batting average is better than his normal aveage and w2 sper starts ganguly and sachin are played many odis opening and had chance to face more balls. ganguly and sachin are considered more taltened odi batsman and natural stroke makers while dravid was once considered not fit for odis.honest hard work brings rewards not the dirty dressing room politics. dravid's odi career best example for that.
RE:BCCI should STOP accusing Sachin
by Shankar Narayanan on Apr 13, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
If one's inclusion is based on the performance, only Saurav Ganguly deserves a birth in Indian Cricket Team...He should be made captain to rebuild the team & Yuvraj as Vice Captain..after 2 years, Yuvraj will become captain & lead Indian team in 2011 world cup...If this is done, we will be able restore the lost spirit
sachin is legendary cricketer and great batsman But nobody is bigger than game or team. Being VC he failed with bat . ganguly and sachin have support of other playes and both had success to kick out chappell out of ind dressing room. but cric fans do not require chappell's report for the failure of WC debacle. the early exit of team from WC is b'czu of some players deliberately played the negative cricket and gifted match to bangadesh and SL .chappelll tried push the senior players from comfort zone and treated every body alike and equalthe body language, negative cricket played by some senior players is proof that they did not support dravid as captain. Even knowing all these players are not with him and ganguly is fighting from backstage for captaincy, and vengsarkar, sharad pawar, ravishastri all are with sachin dravid accepted the captaincy. also he should be aware one more defeat means it may be end of his odi career. Dravid gave 100% team when he was playing under sachin , ganguly . He did not promote gropism or never betrayed his teammates. He trusted that seniors like ganguly sachin bajii will support him. Instead may players played petty politics, let down team. It is loss for dravid, then it is loss for ganguly and sachin also. There is no guarantee that sachin amd ganguly can play next WC, Dravid gave his unconditional support and sacrifices to all captians he played under. Check statistics for last7-85 years and see the contributions of dravid forr little success india had WHY CAN%u2019T OTHER SENIOR PLAYERS DO THE SAME NOIW??CRICKET ts a team game and ALL PLAYERS have to contribute from bat and ball Captian and coach did not tell senior players to not take singles, waste more balls than runs scored, poor running bet wkt, drop catches, give so many extra to bowlers, por batting and throwing wkt by playing silly shots%u2026. , leadership can only take the horse to the water but the horse as to drink it and not vommit.
Even though all senior players are not supporting him, he is fighing with board for contract, endorosement issie He took fight against chetan desai/ dirty report leak. he fought for Sehwag/pathan in the selection meeting where the W C squad was picked. . Sewag is highest rungetter and socred 100 against bermeada others batsman did not score 100 even against bermada Dravid refused to identify any teammate as doing groupism or out of form or some players are rotten apple. Dravid accepted the responsibility for defeat in public infront of media( sachin can go media against some bad report / email leak but he never accepted the defeat that he also failed with bat) Dravid also asked for one media manager, ad managaer and a saying of captain in selection of youngsters, How can anyone say he is not aggressive or inimaginative or spineless??? 65% think Tendulkar shd retire 61% think Ganguly shd go. 56% support venkatest prasad for bowling coach 92% think Robin is a good fit for fielding coach.
Dinesh Karthick of the most supported player , with 95% asking him to be in. He is followed by Dravid and Yuvraj singh. Agit agarkar is the most unwanted, 81% want him out, follwed by 78% for Harbajan singh. on www.cricketvotes.com.. cricketvotes.com/news.html
NDTV report said that sources very close to coach gave info...... it was not greg the report said senior players and the news did not mention any single name of any particular player The answer sachin given were drafted by a senior person of Saatchi and Saatchi- first goal of group is achieved getting rid of chappell next is dravid%u2026. toi The real culprits by S Rajesh http://contentgulf.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/288746.html
: When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver. Winning and defeat of team depands on performance of XI players irrespective of coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example and a captain is as good as his team and it is individual palyer to deicide to support team and captain or play for self ?? When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece players required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 If a player can get negative inspiration why can%u2019t same palyer /what is problem in getting positive inspiration play for team ??? How many players of team are counted in ICC ranking from 2004 onwards... It will tell the truth about performance of out players Ind%u2019s early exit from WC is b%u2019cuz lack of commitment to team cause some players deliberately played negative cricket and gifted the match to SL and bangladesh Winning and defeat of team depands on performance Is that a coach who told senior players to play slow, teaches star players to get out on zero, to do bad fielding and bowling on the ground, the important matches if senior players played poor? Give extra runs ? drop cahtches? When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece players required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 What about performance of XI players of team??? If a player can get negative inspiration why t same palyer needs coach%u2019s help to gett positive inspiration play for team ???
chappell hold mirror of Indi cricket how it is hyjacked by power, politics, money, media. Chappell%u2019s big mistake he tried to treat all players alike and pushed the players from comfort zone. instead he was only kicked by players olitics, groupism negative cricket played by some seniors.. instead everybody is telling chappell destroyed the ind cricket.
