Remember the WC1999 when Sachin's father expired, he came back to india and the very next day he went back to play the next match. How many people can really do that? u should be able to imagine the mindset of that individual who kept his personal loss and played very well in that tournament. In front of the Determination, Mental Toughness and Right Attitude, we are so poor when compared to him that we don't have any right to comment on his commitment. I am not saying this because he is a cricketer, but as an individual, he is a superior person. We should take inspiration from such people. But what do we do? We pick up some silly things and criticize. We don't have to be fanatic about him, to admire some good qualities and capabilities and performance in other individuals.
Interesting posts by 'critics' who are self-styled experts of the game. Someone even went to extent of passionately saying Sachin is 'useless', he only plays for 'records', one only remembers some of his 'memorable' innings since they are far a few.....
OK guys, point taken!! Sachin is and 'old fellow' now, he is just made the team due to his 'past records', he will 'bomb' in this tournament.
Ok ok, all said and done, tell me how many batsmen have this kind of record (if you want to talk about records)??!! Also, records are there in every sport; if you look at basketball, people still remember the rate of shooting of Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, etc. Look at Football (soccer if you please), then Pele's goal scoring totals are still recorded, then after a WC we have awards like 'golden boot' etc. Golf, people still have records like most PG tournaments won, how many hole-in-ones. Baseball, people still follow records like max home runs etc.
So whats wrong with making world class records in cricket. And we should be proud of our own son-of-the-soil who has beaten all records that are to be made.
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by Prashant Agarwal on Mar 05, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
one by one his so called records will go down into dust. Even the most number of runs in ODIs will be broken soon by Michael Clarke or somebody else. No records will survive and cricket is a team game, nobody remembers records of individual players only results that the team achieve are remembered
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by pavan karimbil on Mar 05, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
you tried making a point but still fall short.
Don Bradman is dead and gone, but his records are still there to be beaten. No one is doubting your intepretation of cricket being a team sport, but then so are all the other sports i wrote of! Also if you are a working professional, you will understand that companies or any kind of task has to be measured to be improved upon. One cannot just improved upon any skill, even intangible, if it cannot be measured! A 'record' is nothing but a skill being measured! And while all the 'batting skills' are being measured, Sachin still stands out head and shoulders from the rest of the pack! A bowler like Warne still will remember the 'nightmares' of having to bowl to Sachin viz. the other 'lesser mortal' who face upto him!
So dont belittle 'records'; it is a scientific tool to record progress! And if outstanding individual records can be forgotten, then number of wins of teams also can be forgotten!! If your theory is to be ratified, then forget every thing else, lets just focus on the present; then number of wins of 'teams' also is hogwash! Lets just live for the present and see what happens in WC 2007 before talking about this man!!
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by Prashant Agarwal on Mar 05, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
Outstanding records are less important in a team sport, because success is measured by wins or tournament successes. I hope you agree on that. How do you conclude Sachin stands heads and shoulders above the rest of packs, maybe in ODIs too his number of runs scored make him head and shoulders, but what about tests? hasnt he underperformed in tests, he could have been so much better in tests ? what exactly happened to him in tests. What is his ICC ranking in test and ODI. Sachin has played well in the past and i remember those sixes off Warne but after 2003(he played well in that too) he is a spent force. Why has his test average fallen to less than 56. Many old(32 ) players are playing so well in tests Mohammed Yousuf,Brian Lara,Ricky Ponting etc why is he so much behind them? lack of motivation, injury has lessend his abilities or what I dont get it.
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by sameer naik on Mar 06, 2007 06:10 AM Permalink
dude..icc ranking doesn't take into consideration the breaks a player takes. Last 3 years sachin was out of action for atleast over a year....i am afraid icc ranking is not the best yard stick especially when a player is away in an injury layoff..
and lets forget about the tests for a moment..for its world cup time now...where you yourself have relented Sachin is head and shoulders above others...
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by sameer naik on Mar 06, 2007 06:22 AM Permalink
also let me give you an example why individual records..becoming here.. etc matters..
In the carrebean if cricket still exists it is only becasue of Brian Lara... ...let me know if you dont get the point...
similary in india many yougsters perhaps took bat in their hands only becasue of Sachin...some of these youngsters may make it to the big league later...i hope that is making sense? so it isn't all that a bad prospect if someone is worshipped or treated as a demi god...it can help ..
try to look at things from all perspectives... and yeah all his records are going to go to dust at some point...and why not...
and last but not the least, dont records help team at all??? when sachin scores 100 "for himself", do those runs go to some of private swiss account of his or something? do those dont help in the cause of adding runs to the team totals and helping wins ??? SO IN SHORT DONT RECORDS HELP TEAMS WIN or get closer to win? Now dont give me that shit ..start with his innings are not match winning...etc
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by pavan karimbil on Mar 05, 2007 05:27 PM Permalink
like I said before, try spending 15yrs of being the no 1 bat, then we will talk....even if this rate of scoring is not as 'good' as of yore, he is still a better bat than what is being dished out today!!
Even today when he takes guard, the bowler (whoever it is), will always wonder what to expect from Sachin's blade....
So chill mate and lets get more fervour in wishing our team and our players the very best!!
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by Prashant Agarwal on Mar 05, 2007 05:51 PM Permalink
so according to you both of us dont have any experience about intl cricket, but that entitles you to praise tendulkar but not to criticize tendulkar is it ? As execute said we are a nation of hero worshippers. No wonder we worship Sonia Gandhi
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by Prashant Agarwal on Mar 05, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
nope that era when bowlers were scared is long gone, now fielders crowd around him whenever sachin is at crease
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by Rocky on Mar 05, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
By the way, team records are also meant to be broken. Records are meant to be broken, whether they are individual or team efforts.
is a highly overrated player. He is a reasonably good player in ODIs, in tests he could have been far better, by now he should have scored 50 centuries in tests. He is also very conscious of records, like the way Federer is, but Federer is in a individual sport so such selfishness is ok. He is not among the top 10 batsmen of the current generation too leave alone top 10 of all time. I wonder why Don Bradman exaggerated the talents of Saching Tendulkar.
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by execute on Mar 05, 2007 05:00 PM Permalink
I am Sachin's fan, but sometimes i also felt that sachin played for records, in his last century against srilanka he needed 1 run to complete his century, he could try to send it for six or four, but took single a complete his century, i got angry it was last ball and India was playing 1st in any case for any team normally player try to get 6 or 4 and here sachin didn't take risk and took single. sorry sachin no body liked this. but ok u r also human being on that we can leave u.
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by Krishna on Mar 05, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
Because Bradman knows what he is talking about. He is not a fool. He could see a good performer in Sachin. Any more Doubts?
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by Surya on Mar 05, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
Surely you are not a Indian ! I can understand criticism when it has to come but what you are doing is outrageous stupidity
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by Balaji Vaidyanath on Mar 05, 2007 04:53 PM Permalink
well said prashant... hope the sachin fans would realise that he is an ordinary mortal and no better than lara, hussey, ponting etc., plus he is a bunny to so many bowlers... heath streak, shaun pollock, chaminda vaas, glenn mcgrath, pedro collins, brett lee, shane bond even a kid called mpumellelo mbangwa of zimbabwe whom sachin ripped later shamelessly.. LoL.. had he had some self esteem left, he should've retired gracefully after he was in "good form" in WI series in India.
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by Krishna on Mar 05, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
Any reasons that some other priorities he has got? Can u give us a couple of examples where he played only for himself, not for the country?
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by Prashant Agarwal on Mar 05, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
maybe no chance of losing, but time was a factor wasnt it, Kumble traditionally bowls lots and lots of overs to get wickts? we were not there just to draw, we had to win. We have the benefit of hindsight now and say there was plenty of time, but yet at that time time was a factor
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by Krishna on Mar 05, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
The reasons could be very different from what we percieved on the TV. He was too close to 200. He could have asked him to finish in a matter of 1-2 overs. But declaring that way, Rahul has shown very bad example as a captain and showed how much some of the other cricketers are jealous of his achievements. and certainly the mistake is on the other side. my dear. We were never in a position to loose that match. I want just one more example please!
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by Surya on Mar 05, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
One stray incident defines the character of a person?? Interesting ... what was happening when all the match fixing nonsense was going on? As though sachin never got to a century with a boundary! if he is so selfish why even beat the daylights out of Pakistan with a first Ball 6 when he cud have played safe?? some moron you are !
I believe that if Indian players in general and Sachin, Sehwag and Dhoni batting in particular openly without any hitch any match with any country could be won. There are numerous well wishes and blessings showered by the Indian community not only from India but also from all over the world where are they living/working. Team India will definitely prove their worthiness bring the reglory of "1983-Prudential Cup" this time.
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by pavan karimbil on Mar 05, 2007 05:21 PM Permalink
Given a chance, none of the guys selected will play in the XI as per you!!..LOL
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by Prashant Agarwal on Mar 05, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
he he i dont agree but definitely karthik wont be first choice in playing XI.
He is the greatest and his willingness to play in any position only shows what a great team man he is. Why are we talking about this being the last World Cup for him. He is only 33 and if he is injury-free can go on till 37, when the next World Cup will come to India. Let us all pray for his health and form. Cricket will be the poorer when he retires
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by Krishna on Mar 05, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
What r u then? i never heard of ur name. Probably no one heard u doing anything big in ur chosen field. I know and most of the cricket lovers know sachin for 17 years, A.R.Rahman for 15 years, AB for 30 years and A.P.J Kalam for 25 Years. and so many other achievers. i don't find ur name. strange isn't it? u can ask as many people as possible to get a concrete idea. And then decide who is "IS FIT FOR NOTHING FOR THIS WORLD".
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by karthik on Mar 05, 2007 04:29 PM Permalink
i have seen Bahl kumar.. Even i have given him 2 rupees.. Never knew, he got so many 2 rupees that he is browsing now..
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by jayesh on Mar 05, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA Lagata hai Bahl kumar will runaway now
Sachin is almost over. This is his last bite. Hope this will be deadly. After Sachin who ? Since nobody is taking his place , bear with us and see lots of Sachin bashing with minor glimpses of Champion once he was. Lets pray to god for wisdom to selectors and Board and talent/consistancy to playes.
RE:Sachin a old horse with cosmetic teeth
by Eshwar James on Mar 05, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
Lets select this A.. H.le in the place of Sachin. and he will go and play :)
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by bobby moothedan on Mar 05, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
You forget, ricky ponting plays for australia. There are others too in the australian team that ricky ponting can bank upon to score runs. There was a time in Indian cricket that sachin was the only bankable player. The pressure that one feels playing for india is much much more than the pressure for playing against australia. Even after so much pressure if sachin has still fared so well, then he deserves all the praise he gets and even more. If ponting were to play for India he wouldnt be any where close to where sachin is.
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by karthik on Mar 06, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
Well said Bobby!! No one can match Sachin!!! Every time a player performs well be it Ricky, Lara whom so ever he s compared with Sachin.. so that shows wat sachin is all about... U just can't IGNORE him...
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by rajesh prajapati on Mar 05, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
Certainly Ricky Ponting today is better than Sachin, but then he is playing for Australia and we are talking about Sachin and the Indian team
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by amol gite on Mar 05, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
Jayesh I agree with u. Some people r very jealous on sachin. if they like ricky then go to Australia & stay there why r they living here
