It seems that the team management was cut up with Ganguly's slow scoring (against Bangladesh) in spite of sending messages seven times through Dinesh Karthik and during the drinks intervals to look for quick runs.
Sources also said that countless messages were sent to Ganguly against Bermuda against whom he made 89 (161 mins, 114b). He expressed his frustration when dismissed 11 short of a century and, more importantly, one run short of 1000 runs in World Cup matches.
Though he reached the personal landmark against Sri Lanka, observers within and outside the BCCI are convinced that his batting approach against Bangladesh made matters worse for the Indian team.
RE:message from old indian mnager to BCCI about saurav's attitude
by zzzzz zzzzz on Apr 10, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
This is possible only in India. Time and again players in other teams slow down scoring in order to give a solid start. No one complains. Here, one player plays an anchor role and people start shouting. What are the others doing - eating grass? 89 in 114 balls isn't that bad. Look at some other players in this world cup itself (Jayawardane for instance). And against Bangladesh, were it not for Ganguly's innings, Indian total would have been 125. Where were the others then? There's no logic behind these arguments. Because of such stupidity and lack of teamwork(others don't play well enough) that India loses. Before targeting Ganguly, realize his contributions in the particular situations. He's one of the successful batsmen after his comeback.
RE:message from old indian mnager to BCCI about saurav's attitude
by priyabrat behera on Apr 10, 2007 12:46 AM Permalink
ya u'r rt my frnd but....ganguly being a senior player shud atleast had taken care dat,,.how much pressure n tension it creates in the mind of da other batsman when a senior player like ganguly is not able to score n again with ganguli's slow scorin rate..da required runrate kept on creepin n creepin which was da main reason for da collapse of such a good battin line up
n ganguly in srilanka's match...wat was da need of dat fuckin shot wen u knw dat ur team needs u at dat point of time..n again 2 wickets hav already fallen..soo whre was ganguly's common sense den... n again he had tried to play a simillar ball in da same fashion b4 dat delivery on which he got caught...doesnt he knw dat e needs to stay thre for some while wen some early wickets hav fallen....thre was no need of playin such an aggresive n irresponsible shot at that point of time... being a senior player he shud understand da need of the hour n play sensible cricket..shud rotate strikes n giv da new batsman at the othr end to face som deliveries n den build up a good patnership BUT thank u to Mr ganguly for ur wicket as a free gift...
wat i think dat in the whole touranment he was playin as if takin revenge of chappel n dravid for throwin him out of da team a year bak....by playin very slow n makin runs at his own pace...(not thinkin of da team but for himself)so dat no one can blame him....
thank u mr ganguly for ur services to indian cricket for ur performance in world cup which waas of no use...
RE:message from old indian mnager to BCCI about saurav's attitude
by HateLoveMyTeam on Apr 10, 2007 04:57 AM Permalink
Do u know any thing about cricket. Ganguly was playing the anchor role. Uthappa & Shewag was supposed to hit. Think before writing any long essay before blaming the One & only Great captain of the modern times. Now the BCCI made boring Dravid as captain so that they can run the western corridor show and screw up India more....Sorry...Guys. We stop watching for antother a few years. Dravid will go Ireland & Bangladesh and Will become the MOST VICTORIOUS abroad captain. I wish they are screwed up by Bangaldeshis & swing picthes in Ireland...I WISH IT WILL HAPPEN>>>
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by zzzzz zzzzz on Apr 10, 2007 01:53 AM Permalink
"required runrate kept on creepin n creepin which was da main reason for da collapse of such a good battin line up "
Do you realize the kind of false logic you're creating in order to justify the failure of Ganguly? If the batting line up is so good, why can't it perform under pressure? Of what use is a batting line up if it can't perform under pressure. Dravid scored 14. Why couldn't he score a fifty that day? He's the captain. Shouldn't he play a captain's knock when so much needed?
Arguments such as yours and the kind I'm putting forward show that they have little logic. You cannot negate a fact by creating hypothesis. Fact is Ganguly scored 66 on a day when other batsmen (except Yuvraj) couldn't play well at all. That's the reason why India lost to Bangladesh (a result that was unimaginable) and are out of the world cup early. It's because of the teams failure as a whole and not because of Ganguly's batting (which was a success that day).
RE:message from old indian mnager to BCCI about saurav's attitude
by zzzzz zzzzz on Apr 10, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
As an example, Just look at the scoring rates for the Sri Lankans against England:
Sri Lanka still won because several players contributed to the batting. This is very common in all teams. Everyone doesn't need to hit like Jayasuria or Dhoni. An anchor innings provides excellent partnership to the hitters.
RE:message from old indian mnager to BCCI about saurav's attitude
by Gautam Das on Apr 10, 2007 12:50 AM Permalink
That's shows how foolish Indian team management is. India even did not bat thru 50 overs. They have been losing wickets at regular intervals. Had Ganguli batted like other players in that match then India would get out even at lesser score.
RE:RE:message from old indian mnager to BCCI about saurav's attitude
by critics on Apr 10, 2007 12:55 AM Permalink
gautam das, based on the letter from indian team managerto BCCI, though they sent several notes to ganguly to play for quick runs..... what made hime to play like that ...man....it doesnt matter if he didn play, india would have been bundled for 100 or whetever, when there s message from dressing room, as a player you have to obey that ... what Mr dada basatrad think of himself...
RE:message from old indian mnager to BCCI about saurav's attitude
by zzzzz zzzzz on Apr 10, 2007 01:48 AM Permalink
You fail to realize that cricket is not played from the dressing room. It's impossible sitting in the dressing room to understand what's going on in the wicket. First I question the political motivation of singling out an individual in order to put some of the blame on him for the terrible performance of India. Such information is of little significance other than to instigate weak minded individuals.
Stop blaming one player for the debacle of the team. India lost not because Ganguly's scoring rate was a bit low. (If at all, their scores reached some respectability by his contributions). They lost because the team played badly as a whole. That's where success or failure counts the most. As far s personal success stories, Ganguly came out a thumping success - as the second highest run getter among Indian batsmen. Your(and others like you) are arguing falsely and trying to push a political situation talking about dressing room instructions and other such nonsense. It can be similarly argued that India lost against Bangladesh because Dravid palyed poorly. Had he put some runs on the board we could have won. Fact is that you cannot expect a player to click in every match. That's why it's a team sport. Arguments such as yours are naive and have no basis.
There is nothing to learn from a minnow like BD. They are the most inconsistent team. They were involved in match fxing against India and South Africa. None of their players would even qualify to play for weak teams like Assam and Orissa. Send India under-19 instead. India should play with teams that are at par with them. Cancel BD tour and extend England tour by another 5 or 6 practice matches against top county sides.
RE:Scrap BD tour
by Sreekanth Nemani on Apr 10, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
First beat bangladesh and maybe teams like eng and aus will be ready to play more matches.
So easy to lame everything on match fixing... keep stay in denial that india was not a good enough team...
The title should be 'Dravid has proved his ability as a captain' to have a first round exit from the World Cup. I don't know about your philosophy Mr Chauhan, but I believe simple result. Had Sourav been the captain, forget first round exit, India could have won the cup, at least he took the team to the finals last WC. Chapell and Dravid as coach and captain doomed Indian cricket, and doesn't matter anyway, because politics matters, who cares abt India's win? Right?
RE:Simply hilarious !
by shreedhar alok on Apr 09, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
you are very correct,what they have done for the country.now they should change the captain.chappel exit is very nice.both dravid and chappel has destroyed the team and indian dream
RE:Simply hilarious !
by critics on Apr 09, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
mandal and others , last worldcup, he was a captain, but tell me how many matched he played well, and how many matches that India wn because of savurav's batting ???????????????????????????????????????? and last worldcup our luk was Kenya in semi ...... .... asa captain he went for toss in worldcup 2003 final but as aplayer show me an example what made hime stand in Lords for the final toss?
RE:Simply hilarious !
by Shekar on Apr 10, 2007 12:39 AM Permalink
So in your view, captain is just captain, only other 10 players should play and he will clap for them from pevilian. Wah Wah.. Why don't you try to lick and become captain.
Exactly when? There are no memorable wins under his tenure.. The win in WI of the test series is against the weakest ever WI team. Same goes with the WI series win in India. He won against lanka ODI series is due to Lanka's lacking 2 key bowlers. Now, for god sake, do not make a series win in Bangladesh as an excuse rto cement the positions of all the senior guys.. Did he win comprehensively against SA? did he against AUS? did he win a series aborad comprehensively? Please do not reward incompetence. that's not helping indian cricket.
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Some interesting facts. 63% think that match fixing exists in indian cricket 83% think that selectors are not doing their job. 89% think that BCCI has not yet done enough to fix cricket in India. 83% support Zee's cricket initiative. Dinesh Karthick of the most supported player , with 95% asking him to be in. He is followed by Dravid and Yuvraj singh. Agit agarkar is the most unwanted, 81% want him out, follwed by 78% for Harbajan singh. the opnions are highly divided the players that have not yet played for India.
Chetan is right for what he says of Dravid, he is the best one to be at the helm at this point in time in the Indian Cricket.
I fully agree with Chetan for his comments on BCCI for not allowing players to make their bit by endorsing. Lets face it! it takes about 2-3 hours, at max, to finish up one endorsement!
We definitely need to give players like Raina, Ghambir, Dinesh Karthik and couple others a longer stint so they get their confidance back and start performing well at the highest level - we all know they have it in them to perform well and win matchs for India single handedly, they have done it before & they can do it again.
For God sake, players are human beings too and they too tend to get nervous and stumble at times, all one needs to do is, give talent a few more chances!
Rao and Dinesh Mongia are best suited for test Cricket.
