Correct. What Sachin did is unprofessional. The professional way to do it is to let Chappell say what he wants and have it leaked to the media with the help of sms'es to media people, indirect means such as the "close sources suggest" means or the "oops, how stupid of me to include a top journalist's name in the BCC field of my e-mail to the BCCI (no pun intended)".
But how could Sachin do this to all of us? How could he? How can anyone be so unprofessional as to speak his mind to the media? And that too directly? It's heresy.
So what if the entire Indian team (except for the ever-silent Rahul Dravid) is against the Chappal...err Chappell. It is wrong to offend the coach like this. Even in the ages of war, kings would give special treatment to mercenaries. Come on, you pay for them remember?
RE:SACHIN HOW DARE YOU?
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 05, 2007 01:39 PM Permalink
Tendulkar has spoken by name but note how he talks only of his reputation being affronted by Chappell's comment on his attitude. 'No coach has ever reported even in passing that my attitude was not correct', he says.
Well, well, well. Didn't Tendulkar plainly sulk on our last tour of Pakistan when Rahul Dravid declared the team's innings closed even as Tendulkar was just a few runs short of another double century? Didn't he tell the media that he was surprised at the timing of Dravid's declaration? Wasn't that 'attitude'?
Was it correct? If coach John Wright didn't write about in his tour report that may well because he's too much of a gentleman. Or he may well have reported it but the dossier was overlooked because we won the series.
Again, this season before the World Cup, when Chappell had made it clear that Tendulkar would bat in the middle order so that he could hold the innings together for the full 50 overs, Tendulkar did not hesitate to tell the media that he preferred to bat as an opener. Was that 'attitude' correct?
RE:RE:SACHIN HOW DARE YOU?
by Sameer Bhagwat on Apr 05, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
India was at its best with Ganguly and Wright. Chappell came and ruined that. We won at Natwest Trophy and after that we were kings till Wright left.
RE:SACHIN HOW DARE YOU?
by manoj dobhal on Apr 05, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
Come on guy, unlike any other succesfull cricketer of his stature, Sachin has been less vocal, Less volatile or should I say more Behaved, more descent, More gentle, and more committed than anybody else, if is called to have ATTITUDE mates check ur ATTITUDE first. it seems like SOUR GRAPES for Greg 7 Zealous buddies like u.
coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example and a captain is as good as his team and it is individual palyer to deicide to suppor team and captain or play for self ?? I When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece players required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 If a player can get negative inspiration why can%u2019t same palyer /what is problem in getting positive inspiration play for team ???
F team win all players come forward to take credit then all players will be responsible for the defeat. Ind%u2019s early exit is b%u2019cuz of attitude and ego problem of some players and lack of commitment to team. The real culprits by S Rajesh http://contentgulf.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/288746.html
While India's players blame their recent poor form on everything from a manipulative coach to a sense of insecurity to an indifferent captain, the plain truth is this: When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver.
The answer sachin given were drafted by a senior person of Saatchi and Saatchi- first goal of group is achieved getting rid of chappell next is dravid%u2026. 'Address the real problem' %u2013 Manjrekar 'More than the captain and the coach, just changing names, or having them continue is not going to solve the problems in Indian cricket' http://content-gulf.cricinfo.com/talk/content/multimedia/288631.html?view=transcript
SANDIP PATIL WAS COACH FOR 5 MONTHS Patil then went on to coach other teams and notably guided Kenya to the semi finals of the last World Cup," he said. The official named Sachin Dravid,l Kumble, Ganguly and former cricketers Jh, Ajay Jadeja and the then captainAzharuddin as the players who had revolted against Patil. http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=461806 The real culprits by S Rajesh http://contentgulf.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/288746.html
While India's players blame their recent poor form on everything from a manipulative coach to a sense of insecurity to an indifferent captain, the plain truth is this: When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver. It's a fact that has been obscured by emotion, hype and selective memory but a reading of the statistics is revealing. 'He held up a mirror to Indian cricket'-Manjrekar April 4, 2007 http://content-gulf.cricinfo.com/talk/content/current/multimedia/288811.html was what John Wright couldn't do for four years, he showed the nation what the team was all about, what problems it had' Player-agent nexus ruining Indian cricket: former BCCI chiefs Chennai, April 3. (PTI): Three former BCCI Presidents today The former Presidents, http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/007200704031320.htm
It was the Entry of Mr Chapple to indian cricket who braught disaster to Team India.
Just have allok on the performance record of Mr Chapple on another post. From the data given there, it is very much clear that India was not benefitted by chapple's selection. Look at the facts, First year till when the team left by Wright-Ganguly duo was playing the winning rate was almost 62% which came down drastically to 43% next year when chapple plan started showing the results, In the last and current year also the result wuld have been worse if Ganguly would not had included to team.
During his tenure, IK pathan came down to nowhere from worlds top 2nd Alrounder position, India came down to 8th from the 2nd Rank. Bhajji the turbonator turned into a bowler whom any can hit for runs. Ashish Nehra's career ruined, Sehwag and Tendulkar reached to the worst time. And the most important, Team India turned into small groups of various personal egoes from a well structured, balanced and united team.
Thanks a lot Guru Greg for leaving us and giveing us chance to prepare for the future. Mr More should escort him to canbera.
Now anyone is selected as coach, we will progress as we are at the lowest in last 25 years.
WHY KIRAN MORE IS SUPPORTING CHAPPLE ------------------------------------
In India, Selectors are not paid employees. He was there for wuite a long time, no nakri, no income, no sponsorship, no advertisement etc.etc., Ab ghar chalaane ke liye piase ke jaroorat sabhi ko hoti hai,
First he tried to fix one Mr Abhijit Kale of Vadodara to give him a berth in indian team for Rs 20,000, when this leaked then he supported greg as coach and fixed a commission of 35% with him.
You know during greg why so manu new players introduced ?? Are bhai agar 10 logons se paise loge, to 2-3 ko to chance dena hi padega na.
Ab bechara isliye chilla rahaa hai ki roji-roti ka eklauta sahaara bhi jaa rahaa hai. Samjhe !!
RE:CHAPPLE'S CONTRIBUTION AND MORE's CONCERNS
by Suman Bhat on Apr 05, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
SANDIP PATIL WAS COACH FOR 5 MONTHS Patil then went on to coach other teams and notably guided Kenya to the semi finals of the last World Cup," he said. The official named Sachin Dravid,l Kumble, Ganguly and former cricketers Jh, Ajay Jadeja and the then captainAzharuddin as the players who had revolted against Patil.http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=461806
The real culprits by S Rajesh http://contentgulf.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/288746.html
While India's players blame their recent poor form on everything from a manipulative coach to a sense of insecurity to an indifferent captain, the plain truth is this: When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver. ' Chappell held up a mirror to Indian cricket'-Manjrekar April 4, 2007 http://content-gulf.cricinfo.com/talk/content/current/multimedia/288811.htmlwas what John Wright couldn't do for four years, he showed the nation what the team was all about, what problems it had'
Player-agent nexus ruining Indian cricket: former BCCI chiefs Three former BCCI Presidents today The former Presidents, http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/007200704031320.htm
RE:CHAPPLE'S CONTRIBUTION AND MORE's CONCERNS
by bharat on Apr 05, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
Make Ganguly the captain with More as the coach and Raj Singh Dungarpur as the team manager.
RE:CHAPPLE'S CONTRIBUTION AND MORE's CONCERNS
by the indian on Apr 05, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
That sounds like view from supporter of one player! what a convenient team! take a look cricketvotes.com for ratings on ganguli and coaching issue. There are several regional players on cricketvotes.com such as Tiwari and R sharma. Go vote for these players to get them to the top.
Tendulkar you just shut up. Your batting sucks. You are one of the the culprit for India's unceremopnious exit. Don't try to get sumpathy. U don't deserve one. I was big fan of you but let you bat talk rather you open your mouth. Ganguly, Tendlkar, Sehwag & Harbhajan should be out because they are affecting team morale. Dhoni should sit out like Pathan for few games.
NDTV report said that sources very close to coach gave info...... it was not greg the report said senior players and the news did not mention any single name of any particular player The answer sachin given were drafted by a senior person of Saatchi and Saatchi- first goal of group is achieved getting rid of chappell next is dravid%u2026. toi The real culprits by S Rajesh http://contentgulf.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/288746.html
While India's players blame their recent poor form on everything from a manipulative coach to a sense of insecurity to an indifferent captain, the plain truth is this: When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver. Winning and defeat of team depands on performance of XI players irrespective of coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example and a captain is as good as his team and it is individual palyer to deicide to suppor team and captain or play for self ?? I When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece players required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 If a player can get negative inspiration why can%u2019t same palyer /what is problem in getting positive inspiration play for team ???
It was all about attitude, feels BCCI There are five players in the team whose http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/It_was_all_about_attitude_feels_BCCI/articleshow/1839620.cms
Winning and defeat of team depands on performance of XI players irrespective of coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example and a captain is as good as his team and it is individual palyer to deicide to suppor team and captain or play for self ?? I When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece players required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 If a player can get negative inspiration why can%u2019t same palyer /what is problem in getting positive inspiration play for team ???
F team win all players come forward to take credit then all players will be responsible for the defeat. Ind%u2019s early exit is b%u2019cuz of attitude and ego problem of some players and lack of commitment to team. The real culprits by S Rajesh http://contentgulf.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/288746.html
While India's players blame their recent poor form on everything from a manipulative coach to a sense of insecurity to an indifferent captain, the plain truth is this: When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver
RE:Interesting video
by Suman Bhat on Apr 05, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
Patil then went on to coach other teams and notably guided Kenya to the semi finals of the last World Cup," he said. The official named Sachin Dravid,l Kumble, Ganguly and former cricketers Jh, Ajay Jadeja and the then captainAzharuddin as the players who had revolted against Patil.http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=461806
The real culprits by S Rajesh http://contentgulf.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/288746.html
While India's players blame their recent poor form on everything from a manipulative coach to a sense of insecurity to an indifferent captain, the plain truth is this: When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver. ' Chappell held up a mirror to Indian cricket'-Manjrekar April 4, 2007 http://content-gulf.cricinfo.com/talk/content/current/multimedia/288811.htmlwas what John Wright couldn't do for four years, he showed the nation what the team was all about, what problems it had'
Player-agent nexus ruining Indian cricket: former BCCI chiefs Three former BCCI Presidents today The former Presidents, http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/007200704031320.htm
India's recent batting woes stem from a failure to play on overseas tracks
While India's players blame their recent poor form on everything from a manipulative coach to a sense of insecurity to an indifferent captain, the plain truth is this: When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver. It's a fact that has been obscured by emotion, hype and selective memory but a reading of the statistics is revealing.
First, India's overall ODI record under Greg Chappell:
Played 62, won 32, lost 27. It's a fair record - more victories than defeats, a win-loss ratio (1.18) which is better than that achieved by West Indies (1), Pakistan (0.94) and England (0.65), and only marginally behind Sri Lanka (1.22).
Scratch the surface, though, and some disturbing trends emerge: India won 19 out of 28 matches at home - mostly in comfortable batting conditions - but only 13 out of 34 when they travelled overseas. The win-loss ratio of 0.68 is comfortably lower than Pakistan's and England's, and only marginally better than West Indies' 0.57.
That Indian batsmen flourish on the flat tracks of home is well documented, but the star-studded line-up had briefly demonstrated an ability to perform in more demanding conditions as well. That has all but disappeared in the last 21 months - the big names have appeared far too vulnerable to the merest hint of seam, swing or even spin.
The analysis below brings out how the runs scored by the Indian batsmen during this period has been a function of the conditions and the strength of the opposition, not of their own form, which comes and goes depending on the might of the bowlers.
For the purpose of the analysis, all the ODIs played by India during this period have been divided into two categories - the first comprises matches that were played in relatively batting-friendly conditions; and the second includes the games in which the bowlers had more say. The first category includes the following: all ODIs played in India except the Champions Trophy and the four ODIs versus South Africa in 2005-06, plus India's five-match series in Pakistan in the same season, and their World Cup game against Bermuda. These were games in which the bowling attack or the conditions or both allowed the bat to dominate. Not surprisingly, all the Indian batsmen except a couple have excellent records, with Mahendra Singh Dhoni's numbers reaching Bradmanesque proportions.
The story is entirely different, though, when the batsmen have been tested a little more. The next table includes matches which have been a bigger test for batsmen - the Videocon Cup in Zimbabwe, all matches in Sri Lanka, the DLF Cup in Malaysia, and the ODIs in South Africa in West Indies.
The batsman who was the most successful in these tougher games didn't even make it to the World Cup. Mohammad Kaif made unbeaten knocks of 102 and 93 against New Zealand in the Videocon Cup and was consistently among the runs in the West Indies in 2006, but a few failures thereafter pushed him out of the side. Apart from him and Yuvraj, none of the others averages even 30 in these games.
The differences in batting averages between the two tables shows just how much the batsmen have been found wanting when the team's needed someone to put his hand up. Dhoni's average drops by a whopping 73 runs, while even Dravid's and Tendulkar's performances have dropped by 50%.
All these numbers are of course masked when you merely look at the overall figures during this period: Dravid averages 39.82 in these 21 months, Tendulkar 40.16, Dhoni 46.13. They look like healthy numbers - and they are - till you delve deeper.
Tendulkar's overall stats look impressive, but check out his recent performances against the two best sides - apart from the 55 against South Africa at Centurion, he hasn't managed a single half-century in 11 innings. The best players always like to measure themselves against the strongest opposition, and in Tendulkar's case the recent numbers don't stack up well at all.
Versus Australia and South Africa, since Sept 2005 Batsman Innings Runs Average 100s/ 50s Yuvraj Singh 5 209 52.25 1/ 1 Rahul Dravid 9 248 31.00 0/ 3 Virender Sehwag 10 247 27.44 0/ 2 Irfan Pathan 8 148 21.14 0/ 0 Mohammad Kaif 8 142 20.28 0/ 0 Sachin Tendulkar 11 155 14.09 0/ 1
Through most of India's recent ODI travails, it's the less-heralded bowlers who have done well - only twice during this period have they conceded more than 300, while the average runs per over conceded is only 4.93. Twenty times they've restricted the opposition to less than five per over, but India have only managed to win 50% of those games.
The batsmen have always been the ones who've been feted after most of India's ODI triumphs. It's time they took the bulk of the blame for the losses too.
Greg Chappell was just a coach. His staying or going should not make any difference to Team India's performance. By the way, can any one tell me the name of the coach of 1982 Indian Team? May be there wasn't any!
Also, does Sachin needs to be taught how to bat?
No one can take away the records created by Sachin. But, now he is past his prime and no where close to today's best international players. Performance against top teams is missing. His time is over. Period! Ideally, Tendulkar or any other cricketer should earn his place into the side.
The present fiasco is largely due to the senior players and their agents. This matter is no less serious than the match fixing episode. There is money and greed involved in both.
I hope BCCI accepts Zee TV's proposal to develop future cricketers, or, comes up with some novel program, in order to break the monopoly of few individuals.
