RE:4 players must be sacked now
by on Apr 06, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
MESSAGE FROM LONDON. Shewag must be sacked. Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly and Harbhajan Singh should play TEST matches only and no more one dayers. Introduce fresh blood and get them ready for the next world cup.
we indian cannot listen to truth, thats why chappel will have to go. actually it the entire indian team that need to be sacked and heavy restriction placed on advertising. stop killing talent by making selection on the basis of some one personal choice(which naturally includes bribes, and selection on the basis of recommendations of highly placed)
RE:bcci covering up operation
by rayker rayker on Apr 06, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
entirely possible. the following reaction might take place: * coach fired (already) * tendulkar captain (or dravid retained) * old guard retained, the senior players call the shots - because pawar cant afford to lose his political vote bank by firing tendulkar or even castigating him for his public "emotional anguished cry" despite a gag order for players to remain shut. * sandeep patil becomes coach, no more foreign coach, chapell blamed. * regional fans celebrate chapell's ouster, blind to his lack of form ( they believe he's still god of offside, and he still is the one and only player who is nothing short of god. no sir, he does not have ANY flaws) * indian cricket goes back to the usual sekf, losing 50% of the macthes, badly, and doing good for the rest. ( for us fans, its simply good enough if they win half the matches handsomely than play hard for all the matches and win) *
RE:no proper guidance
by rayker rayker on Apr 06, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
you must be kidding, the coach can only do so much. if theres a problem, it must be shared. debacles like the world cup share much more than that, including a bungling bcci. we should blame BCCI directly first, then chapell AND the plyers of course.
Maa kali ka bhog mein jaona! Tumi bahut faltu kotha bolti ho!! Dravid Dravid Dravid, Dravid ke torof dekha hai keya? O tumko achha captain laagta hai? Dravid ko dekh tehi to pata chalta uska koi personality nahi hai. Aaar dekho kaisa n@ng@ badan beach mein naha rahe thay machhoyaro ke beech mein. Kaun sunega maanega usko. Jaroor achha batsman hai lekin dusro ka upar asar bananeka kabliyat nahi hai usme. Tum iisco politics kaho, buddhi kaho jo bhi kaho. Kaptain kaisa hoga? Player ko datega bhi aur pyar bhi karega. Player ko encourage karega. Chhota chhota kamiyabi mein tarif karega motivate karega. Iska upar iljam uska upar iljam laganese captain ko kaun manega. Naya khilari purana khilari, har koi ek security ki talash mein bhi hai. Agar har koi samjhega naya khilari purana khilari ke uska future ka koi atapata nahi to o kaise perform karega. Tum khud hi koi khilariko jaga mein khud ko boithake dekhona. Wright team banaya. Saurav ka form gira jaroor. lekin usko ek daam team se bahar kiun kiya. Ek do game mein baitha sakte the arar usko sudhar neka mauka dena chate to. Agar maan bhi liya yeh Dravid ke bas mein nahi thay phir bhi jab saurav ka form laut raha tha tab Dravid ko captain hone ke naate usko tarafdari karna chahiyay tha jaisa o baad me sehwag ke liye kiya tha. Team ka nakamiyabi ke karan meray khayal mein team sprit ka kami laagta hai. Chappel to yeh sab cheese feelings kuch nahi samajhta. Wow aapne aap ko saab kisise allag khuda nahi to bhagwan jaisa super power maanta tha. Lekin iis kami ko dur karsakte the sirf Rahul. Lekin wow cheese Rahul mein hai nahi. Tum usko agar pura australia team haath mein de do, phir bhi wow match ji nahi payega. Lekin kiso aadhin mein ek achha batsman ka role ada kar sakta hai. Yeh team hi agaar team sirit hota tha taab bahut achha perform kar sakta tha. Tum idhar udhar say web site dikhke keya karogi. Web site mein jo jo likhta hai hum usko kiun manenge. hamara bhi kuch chinta karne ka aur sochne ka hak hai ki nahi. Koi kuchh bola tab hi manenege? hamara koi khud ki analysis nahi hai? Captai as good as team jaroor hai. Lekin kuch individuals ko ek team mein badal dalna yey Captain aur coach ka hi kaam hai. Australia ka regional team bhi chappel ko coach nahi maagta. Chappel aur Dravid dono se koi bhi team man hai. Tum ghooma phirake jo bhi bolo, yahi sach ahi.
RE:Sudhro nahi to Ma Kali ki Bhog mein Jao
by Suman Bhat on Apr 06, 2007 10:55 AM Permalink
ganguly and his gang deliberarly played negative cricket and gifted match to bangaladesh to humiliate dravid. early world cup exit to prove dravid a poor captain ang ganguly stat of succes did not harm. when team players only betray the team why u blame coach and captain?? the root cause of problem is politician ganguly he dtiched dalmiay and dravid he can do it his chelas like bajji, dhonik zahir, yuvraj sewag??/ dravid anchored the scueess of ganguly as succes ful captain. but ganguly ditched dravid and WC is best event for that.team won 18 odis by cahsing without ganguly under dravid captaincy. ganguly had great comeback but always played for self , saving wkt, scoring runs to cement his place. in SA it is sreesant, pathan and dinesh karthick ganguly is promoting groupism. he did not built any team When ganguly was out and dravid made captain team was ranked 8 in ICC ranking, now even after early exit from WC it is ranked ^th and odi winning average difference is only 1.22% for dravid when comapred ganguly 5 yrs success. ganguly led team for more nos matches and had 38 wins againsst weaker side like kenya, namibia, Indian captains in ODIs
Names Matches Won Lost Drawn/Tied Won% Kapil Dev 74 40 32 2 54.05% M Azharuddin 173 89 76 6/2 51.45% SR Tendulkar 73 23 43 6/1 31.51% SC Ganguly 146 76 65 5 52.05% R Dravid 65 33 28 4 50.77% http://www.hindustantimes.in/htcricket/74_1959563.htm india team did not play as unit the body language and attitude of some players on the field was not encouraging ( as if they were playing a practice mathch) A captain is as good as his teammates some ganguly %u2018s marketing agents ( ex cricketers ) are screaming that draivd is not inspirational captain and ganguly should be reinstalled. If is player to get motivated and decide to play for team or self ( without help of coach and captian) IF PLAYERS CAN GET MOTIVATION/ INSPIRATION TO PLAY NEGATIVE CRICKET TO PLAY DELIBERATLY NEGATIVE CIRCKET to ditch captain and betray team, why cant%u2019 they be motivedted for playing for team. IF some players are not readyt o commit to team but not support captain and team why don%u2019t blame the individual players??
RE:Sudhro nahi to Ma Kali ki Bhog mein Jao
by William on Apr 06, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
YES VERY TRUE ... THE VERY ROT OF THE TEAM WAS GANGULY'S RETURN ...........JUST LOOK AT HIS SCORING RATE AND HIS RUNNING BETWEEN THE WICKETS
Tell me India why should any of the three retire? Tell me India which newcomer you can rely upon? Utthuppa, Kartick, Raina or who better than these three? Unless you find suitable new players you cannot simply ask the old guards to take rest. I feel the coach and the captain failed to perform the role they were supposed to. 1. Coach must keep watch over the old tested players. If someone is failing it is not always prudent to remove him. You analyse as a coach the reasons of such failures. Give him confidence. Dont make him shaky. Tell him to change his batting stance, tell himto change the weight of the bat. With age people lose a few things but gain many,like experience and confidence. This you will have to honour as a coach. It is very easy to simply pass on the buck to senior players or players. It is more difficult to extract the best ouf your limited resources. It requires prudence and patience. Chappel lacked both of it. Dravid was equally hopeless. He did not make up the lapses and lacuna of the coach. As a batsman Dravid Sachin and Saurav has still left a good amount of cricket in them but may never be upto the next cup.
RE:Why Should Sachin Saurav Dravid Retire?
by ss ss on Apr 05, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
Right.. Until we have good kids.. keep Dravid Sachin and Saurav as player.They still can do better than some players. Rahul , a great batsman , but does not has Captainship attitude. A captain does not need to perform always good with Bat/Bowl.. if he does.. it's real but most important keep the team together and get the best from them. If you have watched Rahul.. on field.. Does he look like a Captain? BCCI need to have someone like Yuraj or Dhoni or Dinesh kartik as Vice Captain. And latter one of become Captain.Sachin and Saurabh should be captain for timebeing and keep a future Captain as V-captain.
Greg Chappel may have good idea but then you need to implement that. If team fails.. Coach and Captain should blame most. They have to get best from players , if not,, they are unsuccessful in their job.
RE:Why Should Sachin Saurav Dravid Retire?
by Suman Bhat on Apr 06, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
ganguly dravid sachin should stop racing for captaincy and play for team and country. team needs the performance fight on field rather by the 3 players than fighting in dressing room? Greg may be erratic but he hold the mirror for ind cricket which is ruled by sponsrs and politicians and players becomce pawns in their game..
RE:Why Should Sachin Saurav Dravid Retire?
by rayker rayker on Apr 06, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
unless you give chance to the younger generation, you will not know how good they are. tendulkar's form hasnt been good of late. a century here and there in sub cntinent conditions isnt any good. we are poor travellers, we hardly leave our mark in foreign shores. if we need to win only in home matches, then at least cncentrate on winning ALL the matches at home, let 10 tendulakr's exist.
Former India batsman Sanjay Manjrekar sided with the former Australian skipper. "I think his greatest contribution was showing Indian cricket the mirror," he told a website.
"We get very emotional about our cricket, our players. We sometimes overrate our cricketers because we are so obsessed with them. We don't look around too much. Greg Chappell has shown us, in black and white, what is wrong and what is right with our cricket," Manjrekar added.
He continued to add that "the Australian way of doing business" didn't go well with the Indian team.
RE:Sachin is Looser trying to blame others for his failure!
by jay on Apr 06, 2007 09:37 AM Permalink
Sanjay suffers from a heavy inferiority complex. He always agrees with white commentators. If Australians are blunt and always show the mirror, why has Ian Chappell never said anything negative about Greg. This is utter hypocricy.
Sanjay, you need to work in a foreign , perform and prove to the foreigners that you are no way inferior to them. Until then, I do not see you changing.
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by rayker rayker on Apr 06, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
there may be duplicity from ian and greg. but there is absolutely no doubt that senior players ARE ganging up. they simply are responsible for the debacle of the world cup. bunch of fat overpaid players performaing well against bermuda and then collapsing against better, hungrier teams. what has the coach to do with all this ? its a load of bullshit. it just shows arrogant the players are. one diatribe by sachin and that too holding out his emotional card, and chapell is off to australia! maybe he was even asked to resign. people citing family reasons. phew! yeah, chapell was this and that. okay, lets buy it all, he sucked.
but what kept our losers from performing thier best ? we had a show of spineless performance. we fall like a pack of cards repeatedly. we even lost in zimbabwe, when we should have won against them. our only facile victory is against west indies not in the best of form.
RE:Sachin is Looser trying to blame others for his failure!
by ss ss on Apr 05, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
Sachin said.. it's team failure. If a Coach and Captain can not get best from their players.. they are failure.They are unsuccessful in their job. Why Greg is telling now? Why did not he tell before leaving to WC or even before that? He is oppourtunitist.
Who is this Manjrekar... his father was great.. but he... .
RE:Sachin is Looser trying to blame others for his failure!
by rayker rayker on Apr 06, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
at an international level with the calibre of players like sachin, why do we need a coach to tell them that they need to play at all ? a coach is then conveniently blamed for lack of runs or dividing people. if the player does not perform , why blame coach for division of team affecting players ?
since when did division of players and other politics affect top notch players from not performing against tough opposition and play well only against weaker teams ?
RE:Who should be Coach of Indian Cricket Team
by William on Apr 06, 2007 07:48 PM Permalink
MAKE THE CHAIRMAN OF PEPSI THE INDIAN COACH AND ..CEO OF COKE THE TEAM MANAGER ..THERE ATLEAST WONT BE ANY PROBLEM WITHING THE TEAM .....AFTER ALL OUR PLAYERS PLAY ONLY FOR MONEY
RE:Who should be Captain of Indian Cricket Team
by William on Apr 06, 2007 07:50 PM Permalink
MAKE HOT HEADED JAILOR THE CAPTAIN , WHO COULD TEACH SOME DISCIPLINE TO PLAYERS
When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver.: Winning and defeat of team depands on performance of XI players irrespective of coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example and a captain is as good as his team and it is individual palyer to deicide to support team and captain or play for self ?? When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece players required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 If a player can get negative inspiration why can%u2019t same palyer /what is problem in getting positive inspiration play for team ??? How many players of team are counted in ICC ranking from 2004 onwards... It will tell the truth about performance of out players Ind%u2019s early exit from WC is b%u2019cuz lack of commitment to team cause some players deliberately played negative cricket and gifted the match to SL and bangladesh Winning and defeat of team depands on performance Is that a coach who told senior players to play slow, teaches star players to get out on zero, to do bad fielding and bowling on the ground, the important matches if senior players played poor? Give extra runs ? drop cahtches? When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece players required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 What about performance of XI players of team??? If a player can get negative inspiration why t same palyer needs coach%u2019s help to gett positive inspiration play for team ???
chappell hold mirror of Indi cricket how it is hyjacked by power, politics, money, media. Chappell%u2019s big mistake he tried to treat all players alike and pushed the players from comfort zone. instead he was only kicked by players olitics, groupism negative cricket played by some seniors.. instead everybody is telling chappell destroyed the ind cricket. http://content-gulf.cricinfo.com/talk/content/current/multimedia/288811.html
RE:senior players betrayed the team and captain
by Faceless Spirit on Apr 05, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
Wright team banaya. Saurav ka form gira jaroor. lekin usko ek daam team se bahar kiun kiya. Ek do game mein baitha sakte the arar usko sudhar neka mauka dena chate to. Agar maan bhi liya yeh Dravid ke bas mein nahi thay phir bhi jab saurav ka form laut raha tha tab Dravid ko captain hone ke naate usko tarafdari karna chahiyay tha jaisa o baad me sehwag ke liye kiya tha. Team ka nakamiyabi ke karan meray khayal mein team sprit ka kami laagta hai. Chappel to yeh sab cheese feelings kuch nahi samajhta. Wow aapne aap ko saab kisise allag khuda nahi to bhagwan jaisa super power maanta tha. Lekin iis kami ko dur karsakte the sirf Rahul. Lekin wow cheese Rahul mein hai nahi. Tum usko agar pura australia team haath mein de do, phir bhi wow match ji nahi payega. Lekin kiso aadhin mein ek achha batsman ka role ada kar sakta hai. Yeh team hi agaar team sirit hota tha taab bahut achha perform kar sakta tha. Tum idhar udhar say web site dikhke keya karogi. Web site mein jo jo likhta hai hum usko kiun manenge. hamara bhi kuch chinta karne ka aur sochne ka hak hai ki nahi. Koi kuchh bola tab hi manenege? hamara koi khud ki analysis nahi hai? Captai as good as team jaroor hai. Lekin kuch individuals ko ek team mein badal dalna yey Captain aur coach ka hi kaam hai. Australia ka regional team bhi chappel ko coach nahi maagta. Chappel aur Dravid dono se koi bhi team man hai. Tum ghooma phirake jo bhi bolo, yahi sach ahi.
RE:senior players betrayed the team and captain
by Suman Bhat on Apr 06, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
How many ind players are counted in ICC ranking from 2004 onwards..I nd%u2019s early exit from WC is b%u2019cuz lack of commitment to team cause some players deliberately played negative cricket and gifted the match to SL and bangladesh and. Interresting to see How DESI coach will to motivater players like Tendulkar,Ganguli, herbajan, zahirkhan, sewag, agarkar and others %u2026%u2026.
The war was lost before India began WC battle There you have it then: coach and players on different pitches, an overloaded captain, seniors pulling in different directions. No wonder then, that all it took finally for the world%u2019s richest cricket team to come crashing down was one gentle push %u2014 from Bangladesh. http://cricket.expressindia.com/worldcup/07/story.php?storyid=84305 The real culprits by S Rajesh http://contentgulf.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/288746.html a captain is as good as his team and it is individual palyer to deicide to suppor team and captain or play for self ?? I When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece players required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 If a player can get negative inspiration why can%u2019t same palyer coach%u2019s help to gett positive inspiration play for team ???
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by Suman Bhat on Apr 06, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
ganguly and his gang deliberarly played negative cricket and gifted match to bangaladesh to humiliate dravid. early world cup exit to prove dravid a poor captain ang ganguly stat of succes did not harm. when team players only betray the team why u blame coach and captain?? the root cause of problem is politician ganguly he dtiched dalmiay and dravid he can do it his chelas like bajji, dhonik zahir, yuvraj sewag??/ dravid anchored the scueess of ganguly as succes ful captain. but ganguly ditched dravid and WC is best event for that.team won 18 odis by cahsing without ganguly under dravid captaincy. ganguly had great comeback but always played for self , saving wkt, scoring runs to cement his place. in SA it is sreesant, pathan and dinesh karthick ganguly is promoting groupism. he did not built any team When ganguly was out and dravid made captain team was ranked 8 in ICC ranking, now even after early exit from WC it is ranked ^th and odi winning average difference is only 1.22% for dravid when comapred ganguly 5 yrs success. ganguly led team for more nos matches and had 38 wins againsst weaker side like kenya, namibia, Indian captains in ODIs
Names Matches Won Lost Drawn/Tied Won% Kapil Dev 74 40 32 2 54.05% M Azharuddin 173 89 76 6/2 51.45% SR Tendulkar 73 23 43 6/1 31.51% SC Ganguly 146 76 65 5 52.05% R Dravid 65 33 28 4 50.77% http://www.hindustantimes.in/htcricket/74_1959563.htm india team did not play as unit the body language and attitude of some players on the field was not encouraging ( as if they were playing a practice mathch) A captain is as good as his teammates some ganguly %u2018s marketing agents ( ex cricketers ) are screaming that draivd is not inspirational captain and ganguly should be reinstalled. If is player to get motivated and decide to play for team or self ( without help of coach and captian) IF PLAYERS CAN GET MOTIVATION/ INSPIRATION TO PLAY NEGATIVE CRICKET TO PLAY DELIBERATLY NEGATIVE CIRCKET to ditch captain and betray team, why cant%u2019 they be motivedted for playing for team. IF some players are not readyt o commit to team but not support captain and team why don%u2019t blame the individual players??
RE:senior players betrayed the team and captain
by Faceless Spirit on Apr 05, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
Maa kali ka bhog mein jaona! Tumi bahut faltu kotha bolti ho!! Dravid Dravid Dravid, Dravid ke torof dekha hai keya? O tumko achha captain laagta hai? Dravid ko dekh tehi to pata chalta uska koi personality nahi hai. Aaar dekho kaisa n@ng@ badan beach mein naha rahe thay machhoyaro ke beech mein. Kaun sunega maanega usko. Jaroor achha batsman hai lekin dusro ka upar asar bananeka kabliyat nahi hai usme. Tum iisco politics kaho, buddhi kaho jo bhi kaho. Kaptain kaisa hoga? Player ko datega bhi aur pyar bhi karega. Player ko encourage karega. Chhota chhota kamiyabi mein tarif karega motivate karega. Iska upar iljam uska upar iljam laganese captain ko kaun manega. Naya khilari purana khilari, har koi ek security ki talash mein bhi hai. Agar har koi samjhega naya khilari purana khilari ke uska future ka koi atapata nahi to o kaise perform karega. Tum khud hi koi khilariko jaga mein khud ko boithake dekhona. Wright team banaya. Saurav ka form gira jaroor. lekin usko ek daam team se bahar kiun kiya. Ek do game mein baitha sakte the arar usko sudhar neka mauka dena chate to. Agar maan bhi liya yeh Dravid ke bas mein nahi thay phir bhi jab saurav ka form laut raha tha tab Dravid ko captain hone ke naate usko tarafdari karna chahiyay tha jaisa o baad me sehwag ke liye kiya tha. Team ka nakamiyabi ke karan meray khayal mein team sprit ka kami laagta hai. Chappel to yeh sab cheese feelings kuch nahi samajhta. Wow aapne aap ko saab kisise allag khuda nahi to bhagwan jaisa super power maanta tha. Lekin iis kami ko dur karsakte the sirf Rahul. Lekin wow cheese Rahul mein hai nahi. Tum usko agar pura australia team haath mein de do, phir bhi wow match ji nahi payega. Lekin kiso aadhin mein ek achha batsman ka role ada kar sakta hai. Yeh team hi agaar team sirit hota tha taab bahut achha perform kar sakta tha. Tum idhar udhar say web site dikhke keya karogi. Web site mein jo jo likhta hai hum usko kiun manenge. hamara bhi kuch chinta karne ka aur sochne ka hak hai ki nahi. Koi kuchh bola tab hi manenege? hamara koi khud ki analysis nahi hai? Captai as good as team jaroor hai. Lekin kuch individuals ko ek team mein badal dalna yey Captain aur coach ka hi kaam hai. Australia ka regional team bhi chappel ko coach nahi maagta. Chappel aur Dravid dono se koi bhi team man hai. Tum ghooma phirake jo bhi bolo, yahi sach ahi.
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by Suman Bhat on Apr 06, 2007 11:03 AM Permalink
instead posting some rubbish read the following articel The war was lost before India began WC battle There you have it then: coach and players on different pitches, an overloaded captain, seniors pulling in different directions. No wonder then, that all it took finally for the world%u2019s richest cricket team to come crashing down was one gentle push %u2014 from Bangladesh. http://cricket.expressindia.com/worldcup/07/story.php?storyid=84305 The captaincy of the Indian cricket team may be a crown of thorns, but our cricketers covet it so much that http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/Sachin_Ganguly_in_captaincy_race_again/articleshow/1862729.cms The real culprits When it really mattered, India's batsmen failed to deliver.
