RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Here comes the famous Mr Bhat who needs a drum to beat against ganguly...Take a gun and shoot him if u dare but don't login to rediff and start writing same old things against ganguly...Whole rediff community knows you don't like ganguly but nobody cares
RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by Chandramohan A on Apr 04, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Exactly Suman, I give my support to what you said. it is a team game and all're equally responsible for its defeat and victory, of course!!! So, blaming the captain and the coach is no remedy for this issue. We gotta teach few seniors in the team, how to play the game. They seem to need a lot of homework, something that Ganguly had a year back. See how better he is playing the game. They needn't be ashamed about staying back for a while. Or let them bid off from the game... We've more players in the country who're lacking oppotunities just because of them... Let the management get rid of few players (new / old), who're doing nothing to the team.
RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
Mr Chandramohan u are mistaken Mr Suman is a core anti ganguly...Ask him why our country is not able to get rid of terrorism , Mr Suman Bhat will say Its because of Ganguly and will come with those scrap data..
RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
ganguly fans starts abusing if anybody speaks against his dadagiri ganguly backstabbed dalmiya a fellow bangali he ditche dravid and betray team he can do it his chelas like bajji,zahir, sewag and yuvraj u guys are sic need shcok treatment 4 ur sic brain kuntal bannerji is kunta only
RE:RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
Kunta is a synonym of Suman.....Hence Suman has said it right
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by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
i never abused u suman mind ur language and stop posting slang in the blog...if u want argue then do it with logic..
RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by Gowda on Apr 04, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
Man(banerjee).. Suman stats are right...can understand u. u being bengali supporing ganguly... y dont u accept the fact
RE:RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by Dan Lewis on Apr 05, 2007 12:34 AM Permalink
If your vernacular prevents you from supporting a player then it is equally culpable.It is regionalism as well.THINK BEYOUND THE BORDER.
RE:RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
why don't u understand that cricket is needed some brains...why are u getting regionalistic...I am proud to be a bengali but do not endorse everything which ganguly does...Pls try to realise that we never discussed all these things when ganguly was the captain....
RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by Chandramohan A on Apr 04, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
Ha Ha Ha... That was a cool one, anyway... I admit what you have said. But, you gotta understand that Sourav is just one person in the team. There are many others who have showed absolutely rotten performance in the matches. We need to chuck them out... Sourav has been playing wonderfully, in his comeback matches.
RE:RE:SOME PLAYERS BETRAYED THE TEAM
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
If ganguly plays bad he needs to leave, and same for other players....But we need to find the root cause in Indian cricket failures and thats the system......BCCI is no national body and nobody is accountable..
Its obvious that Chappel and the Senior cricketers in India cannot stay together after all the drama that is going on. After 17 years of cricket we actually heard Sachin speaking out against somebody which clearly shows that how frustrated was he on Chappels behaviour. Its clear that Indian team after WC2003 was going ahead with win in Pak and Australia.. Everything was falling on place..We had a good bowling attack i.e. Pathan our Indian Akram and supported by a Balaji,Nehra,Khan,Bhajji and many others. But what needs to be understood that why Indians dropped down after that...Nobody in this team is happy which clearly shows there has been a poor man manangement in the present team..... Hence Chappel who always plays the blame should go otherwise all the senior players have to go...We Indians need to decide that will we support a Aussie or our players from India...????
RE:Indian Cricket--Judgement Day
by Chandramohan A on Apr 04, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Its obvious that Sachin has started to react to what Chappell has told about him. Well, let him first ask himself, what he has done to the Indian cricket in the recent past. Let him be genuine to himself though not to us and decide if he can justify that matter. I admire Sachin a lot and the resposibile innings that he had played for India, several times. But, it is unlikely that he is playing any of those type, these days. This is not his personal team and he definitely should be shown his way out if he doesn't perform. Well, this is also applicable for any other players in the team.
RE:RE:Indian Cricket--Judgement Day
by Bhaskar C on Apr 04, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
INDIANS SUPPORT INDIANS, TRAITORS SUPPORT SCUMS.
THESE TWO BROTHERS HAVE THE AUDACITY TO QUESTION THE COMMITMWENT OF CRICKET GOD - SACHIN TENDULKAR. HELL WITH CHAPPELLS, BRING WHATMORE AS COACH & SACHIN AS CAPTAIN WE WILL BEAT WORLD NO. 1 SOUTH AFRICA. Watch all in www.freewebs.com/evergreen11 website
RE:Indian Cricket--Judgement Day
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 06, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
Did anybody heard chappel saying mafia about senior players directly anywhere? Have you seen his Interview any where? Have you seen his reports to BCCI? Why do you and Sachin bother about some non-sense reports in the Media? Why do you want to respond about such reports? See the report of Greg to BCCI first, and if you see something wrong in it , discuss it in the meeting. Dont you think this is an emotinal drama saying I did a lot to my country in my 17 years and so on? Yes, yuo did a lot in the past. Wt we need is consistenncy.
at least Greg has taken the decision to quit,and has taken responsibility.will sachin retire or get dropped from the team?or will he just keep on saying sorry we didnt perform. If I as a doctor tell the patients relatives sorry I didnt perform ,will I be eligible to hold on to my job as a doctor? Same with any job.
The world cup debacle, in my opinion, was inevitable. Only, probably, the degree of ignominy could be less, and the team would have been eliminated in the super eight round. The writing on the wall was clear, given the kind of morale and team spirit that the team was in. Hair splitting analysis of whose decision was to bat first against Bangladesh only proves the point. If the team has to field first to win against Bangladesh only shows the confidence level of the team.
Although the performance of the seniors were no doubt beyond question, the constant pressure from Greg Chappell made the situation even worse for them. Let us be clear that the form of the seniors are on a downhill, but if no visible alternatives are found, then it would be necessary to continue with the same seniors. With this background, what was required of Greg Chappell was to ignite the passion of the seniors and we all know what inspiration can do for making the players challenge their own limitations. Unfortunately, the team management under Greg Chappell saw the worst kind of groupism in the team, with the seniors pitted against the so called budding juniors. What was even reprihensible of Greg Chappell was the way he reacted after the debacle by trying to shift the focus of attention to the 'lack of attitude' of the seniors in the team. By sending SMSs to some friendly journalist was in a way trying to create a ground for the poor show. It was almost creating an alibi ready on the issue.
As regards the blame game that is going on for now, let us be clear that it was this very Gerg Chappell who was basking in all the glory and was on a high tom toming about much hyped 'process' when the team performed well at home. Is it not imperative that as a gentleman with a straight attitude, he should take the blame as well. As regards the incumbent captain, the less said the better and it really does not matter what he says. Atleast, he has the sense of proportion of not talking in the public. He is probably better off on the quiets of Kovalam beach. Interestingly, one could not see any endorsement on his towel.
RE:Who is responsible ?
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
Winning or defeat in matches depends on performance of XI players irrespective of captain, coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example and a captain is as good as his team and it is individual palyer to deicide to suppor team and captain or play for self ?? IF team win all players come forward to take credit then all players will be responsible for the defeat. When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 Ind%u2019s early exit is b%u2019cuz of attitude and ego problem of some players and lack of commitment to team. This WC team India %u2018s early exit, b%u2019cuz some players delieberatley palyed negative cricket and betryed team and dtiched dravid.ateam. If players are not ready to support team cause what capatain.some players fielding and body language was visible that as if they were playing an practice match and gifted match to Bangladesh an early exit from WC means dravid is not good captian and ganguly%u2019s records not harmed When players only go against captain and coach and betray teammates why blame captain or coach??If player can not perform for team what is his role ? He should be kicked out team IF players can get negative inspiration why could not players did not perform for team??how can cricket expert say that captain is not motivating player?/ WC is the biggest event of cricket and those players who get chance to play this on behalf of team India?? A funny joke?? A cptain and coach can not induct inspirationg to any players the inspiration, positive mindtset and right attitude should arise from play%u2019s mind. If a player can get negative inspiration why can%u2019t same palyer what is problem in getting positive inspiration??? Ganguly had big role in defeat in mathch against Bangladesh. He gifted match t o bangaldesh deliberately playing negative cricket just to humiliate dravid and to take revenge against chappell ?? but he betrayed the whole team ganguly wasted more balls than runs he scored poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side He did not bother to try and hold an easy catch during agarka bowling , Never tried to accelerate run rate He did not tried to hold simple catch during agarkar%u2019s bowling 60 runs in 130 balls how it can help a team cause?? Ganguly had one stage for having batted through nearly 11 overs to make a mere 7 runs. Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs India Scored 191 in 50 overs Ganguly Scored 66 runs in 21 overs wasted more balls than runs he scored., Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada Ganguly scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Ganguly 7 in 23 balls against SL: Harbajan singh went wktless in 2 matches dhoni failed with bat was laughing when he dro[[ed catch t there were not sight in picture which tv channel shown when India lost ot SL all other players are in tears Tendulkar scored a duck, Ganguly 7 in 23 balls and Yuvraj 6? Dhoni 0?( match against srilanka) zahirkahn was wktless in firest match and in he took 2 wkts against SL but he gave more extra runs b'cuz of erratic bowling. VC captain sachin failed completely with bat coz the players who played all 3 matchs Except dravid munaf yuvraj nobody has shown commitment? ganguly in whole faced 266 balls nearly 50 overs and make only 162 runs, the how much pressure built on bats man other end, not incoming bats man doesn't matter india wins or Lose Ganguly RETURN WAS HYPED BY MEDIA BUT HE WAS NOT IN TEAM UNIFROM ALSO AND HE DID NOT ARRIVE WITH TEAM?? The picute of ind team dressing room which tv channel shown after ind defeat in Sl . all players were in tears but no sight of ganguly dhoni and harbajan!!!! ganguly seflish oppertunist politician ditched dravid and dalmaiy and betrayed team And he can do it anyother players.
RE:Who is responsible ?
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
Here comes the famous Mr Suman the core anti ganguly...Ask him why our country is not able to get rid of terrorism , Mr Suman Bhat will say Its because of Ganguly and will come with those scrap data..
RE:Who is responsible ?
by Aloke Ghosal on Apr 04, 2007 12:28 PM Permalink
The point regarding the performance of the senior players is well taken. It is a fact that the batsmen trio did not play enough. Although Ganguly did score some runs, it was merely a shadow of his past. The general attitude of the seniors in the team was score runs enough to secure the position in the team - and this was mainly because of the sense of insecurity brought in by Chappell. The role of the captain and the coach should be more on strategising and inspiring the team members to give in their best. In this role, both the captain and the coach failed miserably. It was clear from the body language of the team - it was like a radar-less ship drifting away. The half-baked concepts tried out by the coach was basically to make a team comprising of 11 sub-standard all-rounders wherein everyone could bat / bowl a bit. Too much focus was put on body fitness and other non-issues. Unfortunately, the desired core strenghts of a cricketer, ie., batting and bowling, was totally neglected. Greg Chappell was a man with a mission to put the team first before any player. This was taken to ridiculous extremes by him and if he states that there was a mafia of the senior players in the team, I would suggest that the real mafia was himself. He was at his abuse and threatening best throwing his venom and on the senior players. If perform or perish is the mantra for the players, so be it for the coach and the captain. It is an opt-repeated cliche that the coach or the captain is as good as how the team plays on a given day. By implying this are we undermining the role of a coach or a captain, or are we suggesting that the role of the captain is similar to that of a tennis team?
RE:Who is responsible ?
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
team india was broken ship when dravid made captain and ranked No8 in ICC ranking ( even now it is ranked No6)This WC team India %u2018s early exit, b%u2019cuz some players delieberatley palyed negative cricket and betryed team and dtiched dravid.ateam. If players are not ready to support team cause what capatain.some players fielding and body language was visible that as if they were playing an practice match and gifted match to Bangladesh an early exit from WC means dravid is not good captian and ganguly%u2019s records not harmed When players only go against captain and coach and betray teammates why blame captain or coach??If player can not perform for team what is his role ? He should be kicked out team IF players can get negative inspiration why could not players did not perform for team??how can cricket expert say that captain is not motivating player?/ WC is the biggest event of cricket and those players who get chance to play this on behalf of team India?chappel tried to push the palyers comofrt zone and bring professionalism. Many players do not like this Dravdi was the guy showing the fight against SL...but who supported him? Dravid accepted the responsiblity for defeat in front of media he will resign Sewag selection was questioned by Chief slesctor HE IS HIGHESTRUN GETTER Dhoni, harbajan, sachin, completly failed the worst thing there is groupism and politcs in team and it was visible dufing match against SL and Bangaldesh ganguly is selfish politician He and his group deliberately played negative cricket , played big role in defeat and took revenge for his outset. he is cunning politicain not a team man main culprit to sabotage team WC capaign. He betrayed dravid. when he was captain it was dravid performance, hardwork brought him succes as captain. In WX2003 india reached final b`uz of sachins brillinet performance. not b`zu of ganguly`s captiancy or agression. it is ganguly, zahirkahn, dhoni, harbajan should be kicked out..
RE:Who is responsible ?
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
team india was broken ship when dravid was made captain.. ha ha ha very funny.. it was sinking ship when ganguly was made captain.
RE:[object]
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
actually correct...India reached WC 2003 final by sinking in the sea...Right Lotiya Pathan
RE:Who is responsible ?
by on Apr 04, 2007 02:51 PM Permalink
There seems to be a lot of talk on how wonderfully we performed in the last WC. What everyone forgets is that then also our performance in the first couple of games was pathetic and fans had given the usual treatment - stone-pelting, effigy-burning etc. - after these two matches. However, thereafter the team performed better and with luck-factor coming into play like SF against Kenya, we reached the Finals where our stars played as they always do in crunch situations. This time unfortunately, two losses were enough to throw us out.
So the difference in result in 2007 & 2003 maybe manyfold, in the performance not much. This highlights the luck factor in Cricket and also perhaps the difference between a winning & losing capatain. Unless of course u play like Australia when every possible factor in the game is figured out, strategised and executed to perfection.
Till then, let us hope to just get lucky once in a while- as we did in 1983.
RE:Who is responsible ?
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
ganguly fans starts abusing if anybody speaks against his dadagiri ganguly backstabbed dalmiya a fellow bangali he ditche dravid and betray team he can do it his chelas like bajji,zahir, sewag and yuvraj u guys are sic need shcok treatment 4 ur sic brain
RE:Who is responsible ?
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
dravid fans starts abusing if anybody speaks against his chamchagiri dravid backstabbed ganguly he ditche 10dulkar and betray team he can do it with other like bajji,zahir, sewag and yuvraj
Well INDIA has not reached the Super8 in this 2007 WORLD CUP. There are reasons galore. But firstly please for GODs sake do not blame the players. There are reasons beyond, what we think as normal human. We all know that Team INDIA is the best in the WORLD (got surprised..!!) YES it is... And not only we Indians know that, in fact the whole WORLD knows. Even the Australians know that INDIA is the best. Team India is the only team that can beat Australians in the WORLD CUP or for that matter anywhere anytime anyteam. The REASONS: 1. Mr. Chappell has come to INDIA with a MISSION to destabilize the whole team. 2. He knows that the only Team that can a biggest THREAT to Australians in the WORLD CUP 2007. Mr. Chappell has started his work as soon as he has taken over as a coach, to break the tenacity of the Team India. Same rule----- %u201CDIVIDE and RULE. He is the winner in his MISSION. That was his strategy. We have many senior players for the COACH's JOB. We don%u2019t need Mr. Chappell. Please for god sake throw him (Chappell) out. A Couch needs to understand the minds and the Hearts of the Players. I agree the Chappell has done his JOB. But in a negative way. Jaago ! ! ! Indians Jaago..... We are helplessly being ruled by foreigners.
Lot more to say... 1. GET the Chappell out 2. Bring in a senior Player as Coach 3. Dont teach "SACHIN" how to bat, he has got at least 10yrs of play left in him. for that matter -- Saurav, Dravid, Sehwag also in the same line. 4. Make Saurav as CAPTAIN. He is the BEST. 5. Not that Dravid is bad. He is so good at batting let him bat. 6. Saurav is a fighter. (Just imagine how he came back to team India)
RE:India - WORLD CUP - Team - INDIA
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
A captain is as good as his teammates some ganguly %u2018s marketing agents ( ex cricketers ) are screaming that draivd is not inspirational captain and ganguly should be reinstalled. If is player to get motivated and decide to play for team or self ( without help of coach and captian) IF PLAYERS CAN GET MOTIVATION/ INSPIRATION TO PLAY NEGATIVE CRICKET TO PLAY DELIBERATLY NEGATIVE CIRCKET to ditch captain and betray team, why cant%u2019 they be motivedted for playing for team. IF some players are not readyt o commit to team but not support captain and team why don%u2019t blame the individual players?? Defeat in against bangadehs and SL deliberate attamet by some players to make team An early exit in WC means to prove dravid not good captain and ganguly%u2019s record not harmed SIMPLY BACKASTAGE POLITCS WHICH PLAYERS NAME IS RUNNING FRONT IN CAPTAINCY RACE??
RE:India - WORLD CUP - Team - INDIA
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
Ask Suman why our country is not able to get rid of terrorism , Mr Suman Bhat will say Its because of Ganguly and will come with those scrap data..
RE:India - WORLD CUP - Team - INDIA
by Manoj Pawar on Apr 05, 2007 05:55 PM Permalink
If Ganguly is responcible for the defeat. In west indies tour, Champions trophy defeats who is responcible for that?
RE:India - WORLD CUP - Team - INDIA
by Chandramohan A on Apr 04, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
Ram, I agree the fact that all Indian players are exceptional, when considered individually. We're not playing an individual game. This is a team and we need to play as a team. Dada has played a wonderful innings. But has he bothered to look for the team's requiremtns in those games? or is it that he played a slow innings as the pitch was difficult to bat on? Or is it that he was looking to increase his individual performance in that match? Whats all that? He is just a good player, I must say. He is not a good captain and with him as a captain you can expect a riot in the team. He to ohas his favourites in the team, just as with any other captains... Don't argue about that...
Sachin seems to have lost his basics. We've seen that in the recent few matches. Why not ask him to do some homework before he continues...? I didn't mean him to retire, anyway!
Any other senior player is not going to do any miracle for the Indian team. Trust me for that. The game is now being played mroe by others (certain people like the dons and politicians) than the players in the team. I hope, you must be knowing that very well.
nach na jane, angkan teda!!!!!!!!! performance of our team was responsible for the disastrous results in the world cup. In my opinion chappel is a good professional coach and he did justice to his job. but it was our boys who let us down due to inconsistency in performance and lack of strategic management of the games against bangladesh and srilanka. Had you and me were there in place of chappel.... imagine ?
RE:why blame chappel?
by Kaushik Dutta on Apr 04, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
Good one Sujatha...but sorry to mention that you know nothing about strategic management..or else you would not have written such stupid comments. Well since you talked about strategic management let me tell you then...that a key component of strategy is leadership and integrity, which has been broken by our so called coach Mr. Chappel. Firstly by removing ganguly as a captain he created a void in a leader who can lead the team and fight against all odds. Secondly dividing the team into groups of Junior and Senior he has questioned the integrity of all players as a collective team. And if you still think we can win strategically then I must say a coach is like CEO, who should try to motivate players, not divide them. Therefore a SWOT analysis of Mr. Chappell has only one conclusion and recommendation...REMOVE HIM ASAP.
A team is as good as captain The match against SL way Indian players their body language showed during fielding looked asipractice match. Some players netgative attitude and body language shows they were not ready to play 6 more matches under Dravid's The way they gave away 29 Extras against Srilanka, leadership ganguly played a big role in defeat. By playing negative cricket and he and sachin dhoni and herbajan betrayed the team and to pull Dravid down. Captaincy myth Ganguly -5 yrs Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain
out of 147 matches India won 76 (51.70%) lost 66 (44.90%) Tie or no results 5(3.40%) won 74 (50.34%)
But Saurav captained 34 ODI against minnows Bangla Desh Zimbabwe Namibia Kenya Netherlands Canada etc%u2026..
Dravid %u2013 16 months Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when Dravid was captian
India won 33 (50.77%) lost 28 (43.08%)no result/ tie 4 (6.15%)
But Dravid captained ot 65 matches captained only two ODI against minnows i.e. Bangladesh and Bermuda
VC sachin failed with bat but ganguly scored runs but wasted more balls and his poor fielding, running btw wkt cost more runs to team and gifted match to Bangladesh herbajan wkt less dhoni is a complete failure. He was laughing evn after dropping catch even one win would have taken team to S.legue and there was no change in captaicy and odi winning average differen very just 1% when compared dravids 's 16 months captaincy with ganguly's 5 yrs achievement. Back stage politics who names are forefront in captaincy race??? Ganguly %u2018s success was b%u2019cuz ofcontributions dravid, sachin laxman kumble srinath, sewag not b%u2019cuz of leadership qualities. He servived as non performing captain b%u2019cuz he had godfather called dalmiay . When dalmiay lost power he betrayed dalmiay also. Ganguly is playing petty politics and ditched dravid
One win in WC would harmed the stat / record of ganguly%u2019s successful captain ganguly deliberately played negative cricket, played big role in defeat against bangadesh and gifted match to Bangladesh Ganguly used WC to betray the team and humiliate dravid ganguly and sachin both are in captain race sacnih as VC failed with bat but ganguly played negative cricket and gifted match to bangladesh even one win would have taken team to S.legue and there was no change in captanicy and odi winning average differen very just 1% when compared dravids 's 16 months captaincy with ganguly's 5 yrs achievement. so that dravid is not good captain but ganguly is good captain and also harbajan wkt less and dhoni is failure if coach and captain has to go then sachin ganguly herbajan and dhoni zahir shold be shown the door
RE:captaincy myth
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
with above logic, we dont need any captain. captain is as good as team.. then why dont we go for Uthappa, or Munaf patel as captain.
RE:captaincy myth
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
Here comes the famous Mr Bhat who needs a drum to beat against ganguly...Take a gun and shoot him if u dare but don't login to rediff and start writing same old things against ganguly...Whole rediff community knows you don't like ganguly but nobody cares...why don't start a website named I HATE GANGULY
RE:captaincy myth
by hari on Apr 04, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
rubbish..... if dravid cannot manage team how can he become a captain..... he should know how to manage ganguly... other wise get out of the role
RE:captaincy myth
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
Winning or defeat in matches depends on performance of XI players irrespective of captain, coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example and a captain is as good as his team and it is individual palyer to deicide to suppor team and captain or play for self ?? IF team win all players come forward to take credit then all players will be responsible for the defeat. When chappelll tried to give chance to youngesters many ppl said expereinece required. When experienced failded now same ppl are asking for youngsters%u2026 Ind%u2019s early exit is b%u2019cuz of attitude and ego problem of some players and lack of commitment to team. This WC team India %u2018s early exit, b%u2019cuz some players delieberatley palyed negative cricket and betryed team and dtiched dravid.ateam. If players are not ready to support team cause what capatain.some players fielding and body language was visible that as if they were playing an practice match and gifted match to Bangladesh an early exit from WC means dravid is not good captian and ganguly%u2019s records not harmed When players only go against captain and coach and betray teammates why blame captain or coach??If player can not perform for team what is his role ? He should be kicked out team IF players can get negative inspiration why could not players did not perform for team??how can cricket expert say that captain is not motivating player?/ WC is the biggest event of cricket and those players who get chance to play this on behalf of team India?? A funny joke?? A cptain and coach can not induct inspirationg to any players the inspiration, positive mindtset and right attitude should arise from play%u2019s mind. If a player can get negative inspiration why can%u2019t same palyer what is problem in getting positive
dhoni failed with bat was laughing when he dro[[ed catch t there were not sight in picture which tv channel shown when India lost ot SL all other players are in tears Tendulkar scored a duck, Ganguly 7 in 23 balls and Yuvraj 6? Dhoni 0?( match against srilanka) zahirkahn was wktless in firest match and in he took 2 wkts against SL but he gave more extra runs b'cuz of erratic bowling. VC captain sachin failed completely with bat coz the players who played all 3 matchs Except dravid munaf yuvraj nobody has shown commitment? ganguly in whole faced 266 balls nearly 50 overs and make only 162 runs, the how much pressure built on bats man other end, not incoming bats man doesn't matter india wins or Lose Ganguly RETURN WAS HYPED BY MEDIA BUT HE WAS NOT IN TEAM UNIFROM ALSO AND HE DID NOT ARRIVE WITH TEAM?? The picute of ind team dressing room which tv channel shown after ind defeat in Sl . all players were in tears but no sight of ganguly dhoni and harbajan!!!! ganguly seflish oppertunist politician ditched dravid and dalmaiy and betrayed team And he can do it anyother players.
RE:senior players betrayed the team
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
i never seen any tears on dravid and chappel's eye as well.. may be suman bhat sucked all tears before we could notice.
RE:senior players betrayed the team
by Chandramohan A on Apr 04, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
Well, did see any others in the team (than them) crying, Mr. Pathan? I hope, not!!! This area is not for you guys to mock somebody, man. Just talk about the topic. Why waste your time and other's...?
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by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
mr chandramohon, i never seen tears on the eyes of any player.. it was claimed by suman bhat.. so read all the msges and comment.. hope u understood.. for ur information, she is sic, discharged from agra hospital.
RE:senior players betrayed the team
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
u hv no wisdom somebody looted ur wisdom so u always see wrong ur msg is mirror of ur sic brain
RE:senior players betrayed the team
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 04, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
He is one mad fellow.....Suman Bhat the great Indian critic....He is just out from mental hospital
RE:senior players betrayed the team
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
kuntal bannerjee is kunta only u sic person out from metnal hospital Mrs suman
Ganguly had big role in defeat in mathch against Bangladesh. He gifted match t o bangaldesh deliberately playing negative cricket just to humiliate dravid and to take revenge against chappell ?? but he betrayed the whole team ganguly wasted more balls than runs he scored poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side He did not bother to try and hold an easy catch during agarka bowling , Never tried to accelerate run rate He did not tried to hold simple catch during agarkar%u2019s bowling 60 runs in 130 balls how it can help a team cause?? Ganguly had one stage for having batted through nearly 11 overs to make a mere 7 runs. Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs India Scored 191 in 50 overs Ganguly Scored 66 runs in 21 overs wasted more balls than runs he scored., Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada Ganguly scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Ganguly 7 in 23 balls against SL Ganguly did return with team but nest day when arrived in kolkat airport media said he got a warm welcome He was not team uniformGanguly success is b'cuz of dravid contribution in tests and sachin contribution in oids.. Not B'CUZ OF HIS LEADERSHIP OR AGRESSION GANGULY %u2018S SELFISH, OPPERTUNIST, CUNNING POLITICIAN AND PROMOTING GROUPISM AND NOT BATHER ED IF TEAM WINS OR NOT GANGULY IS MAIN CULPRIT IN DEBACLE OF WC HE SHOULD BE OUT OF IND TEAM FOR TESTS AND ODIS team went final in WC2003 bcuz sachin batted brilliently. he scored 33%of total runs and won MOS and best batsman. NOT B'CUZ OF GANGULY CAPTAINCY OR LEADERSHIP, srinath bowled well and dravid ketp wkts to accomodate one more batsman No player played negative cricket that team should loolse. But this time some players were not with team or captain . And WC event is best place to humiliate captain. One win would made team to in Sleague and there won%u2019t be any change in some players deliberately played negative cirkcet and betrayed team and ditched captain. But this time it is ganguly sachin, dhoni, harbjan betryaed team and ditched the captaint non cooperation of some players to captain is failue and cause for defeat I who is running in front for captaincy race ????
RE:some players betrayed team and ditched captain
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
Bhaskar, I too agree with this point. ganguly shd not have done this.
RE:some players betrayed team and ditched captain
by hari on Apr 04, 2007 11:07 AM Permalink
I think what ever u said is rubbish..... CAPTAINCY or LEADERSHIP is to make people work toughter.... ganguly is good in that....if sachin is good player even ganguly is good other wise how come he goo 10000 runs.
u just bul shiting sachin fit for nothing other then makeing run againest small teams.
RE:some players betrayed team and ditched captain
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
ganguly ditched dalmiay after dalmiya lost power in bcci He dtiched dravid and team he can do it anybody ganguly is not leader but selfish politician
RE:some players betrayed team and ditched captain
by Ayan Das on Apr 04, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
keep ur message short buddy. Never the less u seem to be the ideal person to write an autobiography of GANGULY.After all u have done so much of research on him.
RE:some players betrayed team and ditched captain
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
Oye cicuit, suman bhat again came on the first page with all the statatics..great..
RE:some players betrayed team and ditched captain
by Circuit on Apr 04, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Yes dear, ab to haalat ye hai, ki me Annkh bund kar ke bhi suman ke comments repeat kar sakta hoon. She has got now good control over Ctrl C and Ctrl V.
chappell should have been much more vocal previously about all these what he is saying now.He can not get away form taking responsibility of the defeat.But having said that Chappell may not be all wrong about the seniors(specially about TENDL.)
It is a pity that BCCI does not have the guts to drop(out of form) 10dulkar.Wheather Chappell is right or wrong that is a different issue.In his career had sachin been dropped earlier for poor run of forms (and there were numerous occasions when he should have been dropped)he would have been much more sharper as aplayer. We must make it happen to implement rules which should be equal for every one.If ganguly,zaheer or sewagh can be dropped why not sachin.
Lets hope BCCI will make their selection process much more methodical and fairer so that the so called stars may not take their places for granted.This will also give chance deserving candidates to get through in the squad,that's Chappell is saying.
RE:Chappell
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Apr 04, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
One basic reason for going for a foreign coach was that the foreign coach would not go about playing politics. John Wright did this. He succeeded to a great deal because the players felt that he would be objective.
Sharad Pawar, the politician, can take a few lessons from Chappell. Look at the way he has gone about things, the way he has played politics. After his row with Ganguly, the leaked email. After the South Africa tour, the managers report on Sehwag, which was again leaked to the media. After the World Cup, the SMS to a senior journalist, saying he did'nt get the team he wanted. And now this leak, which questions the attitude of the senior players, likens them to a 'mafia'. There is a pattern to all this. Every one of these leaks seeks to absolve Greg Chappell. All this speaks of a highly manipulative person. We have enough of them in India, we don't need one more. It is for this reason that Chappell has to go. The Board can simply let his contract lapse. This is not to absolve the players. Their performance was awful. But the players are only a symptom, not the disease. Indian cricket is in bad shape, there is no point in sacking a Tendulkar or anyone else for that matter. It will be like taking Aspirin for a headache, when the real cause is a brain tumour.
RE:Chappell
by Ayan Das on Apr 04, 2007 02:05 PM Permalink
You are quite right Mr.Krishnamurthy.It is just like "taking an Aspirin for a headche, when the real cause is a brain tumour".
